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Cheltenham Bumper 2019

Are we 100% sure that Envoi Allen will be kept to bumpers?

He’s in the top 3 for the Ballymore with some bookies.


Side note: Googled to see if I could find anything and this place was the 5th and 6th hit!
 
Hurricane fly said:
Are we 100% sure that Envoi Allen will be kept to bumpers?

He’s in the top 3 for the Ballymore with some bookies.


Side note: Googled to see if I could find anything and this place was the 5th and 6th hit!
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He'll deffinately run in a bumper next. I'd be almost certain he'll stay in bumpers for the season. But with 365 you wouldn't have to worry anyway
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I’ve posted this a few times but I think that Envoi Allen is most likely to prove the classier of the two horses long term but Malone Road, with his more traditional NH breeding will likely be most suited to Cheltenham and the more likely runner. It still would not surprise me if both ended up at Cheltenham but the owners could decide to split them as they are big supporters of the Aintree meeting.
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I didn't know that... why? (Not why as in WHY WOULD THEY BE?!, but how do you know?)
 
JackieMoon33 said:
What's the actual question you're asking?
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What makes you say they are big supporters of the Aintree meeting?

Sorry I should have made that clearer :)
 
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They have revived their habit of buying horses just before the National in an attempt to win the race again (won with Party Politics in the 90's). The last two seasons they are back on the scene buying horses literally the week of the Grand National.

I'm not sure that makes them great supporters as such but it shows a liking for Aintree. Now they're investing big in younger horses they may want to head to Aintree with some of them as well.

It could be me getting five from two two's, but owners are often creature of habit.
 
Reading between the lines I suspect Gordon doesn’t know which of them is better yet, which would explain why there was no real stable gamble before. He’s got a line on Malone Road, now we just need to see Envoi Allen (and whatever else) on the track
 
bobbyvalentino said:
Reading between the lines I suspect Gordon doesn’t know which of them is better yet, which would explain why there was no real stable gamble before. He’s got a line on Malone Road, now we just need to see Envoi Allen (and whatever else) on the track
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I imagine Gordon will have a very good idea
 
Willie will have an idea of what he's got to beat now also, interesting to see what he fires in the coming weeks up to Christmas.
 
We have some nice unraced horses who will be starting off in bumpers. They include two winning pointers we got from Pat Doyle – Appreciate It (4g Jersey - Sainte Baronne) and Asterion Forlonge (4g Coastal Path - Belle Du Brizais) – Monkfish (4g Stowaway - Martovic), who won a point-to-point, and Ontheropes ( 4g Presenting - Dushion). Lorvon Pearl (5m Gold Well - Dont Tell Betty) and Blazing Emily (4f Presenting - Blazing Tempo) are two nice prospects for bumpers. Blazing Tempo won ten races and gave us our first Galway Plate win.

Perhaps a tad disappointing for the forum that there’s been no mention of Enugermene yet in RPs pretty exhaustive tour, plus the note on bumpers above.
 
I'll be looking for an Irish trained Mare in the run-up to the fez bumper.
 
bobbyvalentino said:
We have some nice unraced horses who will be starting off in bumpers. They include two winning pointers we got from Pat Doyle – Appreciate It (4g Jersey - Sainte Baronne) and Asterion Forlonge (4g Coastal Path - Belle Du Brizais) – Monkfish (4g Stowaway - Martovic), who won a point-to-point, and Ontheropes ( 4g Presenting - Dushion). Lorvon Pearl (5m Gold Well - Dont Tell Betty) and Blazing Emily (4f Presenting - Blazing Tempo) are two nice prospects for bumpers. Blazing Tempo won ten races and gave us our first Galway Plate win.

Perhaps a tad disappointing for the forum that there’s been no mention of Enugermene yet in RPs pretty exhaustive tour, plus the note on bumpers above.
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Thats the chance you take as with stay humble / dorrels pierji last year, you'll see if he comes out later
 
charlie said:
I imagine Gordon will have a very good idea
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I disagree with this comment. Picking out Willie, as he has tended to run a few, history shows us the yard has an incredibly poor record of which of their string will perform best, when judged by market SP and Patrick’s ride. Obviously young bumper horses can massively improve over the season, and likewise horses that show nothing at home can really shine on the track.

In short those on Malone Road at juicy prices have a very nice ticket indeed, however in general I think it’s a difficult race to get a handle on this far out.
 
bobbyvalentino said:
Reading between the lines I suspect Gordon doesn’t know which of them is better yet, which would explain why there was no real stable gamble before. He’s got a line on Malone Road, now we just need to see Envoi Allen (and whatever else) on the track
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Mt Leinster opened up 8/11 and Malone Road 6/4. Malone Road went off odds on at 5/6, so there was late money. There's no definitive right or wrong answer, we are speculating on Gordon having an opinion on which one he thinks is best. Obviously we haven't seen Envoi Allen yet but as the person who trains them both and as the person who reports back to Cheveley Park Stud, I suspect Gordon will have an idea as to which one he prefers.
 
Obviously there may be nothing behind this but thought it was worth posting, from a random on twitter yesterday...

'I went to Cheveley Park Stud on Tuesday and said to one of the guys there that I noticed CPS colours are appearing on the NH scene now. They've purchased around 20 NH horses. I said Malone Road looks a gd one and the chap said he's not the best one & singled out Envoi Allen.'
 
charlie said:
Mt Leinster opened up 8/11 and Malone Road 6/4. Malone Road went off odds on at 5/6, so there was late money. There's no definitive right or wrong answer, we are speculating on Gordon having an opinion on which one he thinks is best. Obviously we haven't seen Envoi Allen yet but as the person who trains them both and as the person who reports back to Cheveley Park Stud, I suspect Gordon will have an idea as to which one he prefers.
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Sorry, I was referring to no real move in the market for the Champion Bumper from the Elliot yard.

I’m sure he has a view on which he prefers, but my point is it can and often will all change between now and March as more evidence emerges, and even then they often get it wrong on the day. I’ll be interested to see how the valuable Dublin racing festival bumper will bring the good ones together so we get a better idea of Irish form.
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Marty973 said:
Obviously there may be nothing behind this but thought it was worth posting, from a random on twitter yesterday...

'I went to Cheveley Park Stud on Tuesday and said to one of the guys there that I noticed CPS colours are appearing on the NH scene now. They've purchased around 20 NH horses. I said Malone Road looks a gd one and the chap said he's not the best one & singled out Envoi Allen.'
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Thanks for posting, i wouldnt believe that what he said. Very welcome to post and let people make there own opinions on it though.
 
bobbyvalentino said:
We have some nice unraced horses who will be starting off in bumpers. They include two winning pointers we got from Pat Doyle – Appreciate It (4g Jersey - Sainte Baronne) and Asterion Forlonge (4g Coastal Path - Belle Du Brizais) – Monkfish (4g Stowaway - Martovic), who won a point-to-point, and Ontheropes ( 4g Presenting - Dushion). Lorvon Pearl (5m Gold Well - Dont Tell Betty) and Blazing Emily (4f Presenting - Blazing Tempo) are two nice prospects for bumpers. Blazing Tempo won ten races and gave us our first Galway Plate win.

Perhaps a tad disappointing for the forum that there’s been no mention of Enugermene yet in RPs pretty exhaustive tour, plus the note on bumpers above.
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A couple of those namely Monkfish and Asterion Forlonge are mentioned the P2P dossier and are on my watch list.
 
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