2023 Novice Hurdlers

[JackieMoon33]

And Irish Point was beat on his second start by Inneston on his first start, now with Gary Moore. Feel like we should be ploughing into the Gary Moore horse

When I first posted about Irish Point and Inneston back in March I had a slight preference for Irish Point because of the trainer angle. Whilst I’m not against Gary Moore, I just feel that if given identical horses, Gordon would likely produce better results.

Inneston has the better page on paper at least, as he’s by the prolific mare Robbe who has produced some decent horses over the years. Inneston is the first by Doctor Dino and although younger brother let the family name down recently, Inneston has got race course form to his name. Doctor Dino is the sire of sires in France and commands the highest fee and his progeny also tend to be sharper early on. If he’s good enough of course, Inneston should be right for novice hurdling rather than a slow burner.

A few were against Irish Point due to his sire being Joshua Tree who is unproven in the NH ranks. For me, I’m not as concerned by that as he’s new to the scene and has only had horses on the track for 4 years. The main thing that gives me hope Joshua Tree can excel at stud is that he’s from an exceptional bloodline when it comes to producing NH sires. His sire Montjeu is responsible for the many of the new generation of NH stallions, all of which seem to breed out daddy’s quirks. Montjeu himself comes from the Saddler’s Wells bloodline and that’s jump stallion royalty. Given the right arsenal of NH mares I think Joshua Tree can make his mark. Irish Point is out of a French jumping mare so he’s got substance to hopefully make his mark over obstacles.

I am eagerly looking forward to both and even more so after the result on Friday. I’d expect Irish Point was pulled due to the ground so hopefully they’ll find an engagement soon.

[ComplyOrDie]

Nice one JackieMoon33

I do see the Gary Moore vs Gordon argument, at the end of the day Gordon has won plenty more festival races than Gary, so it makes complete sense.

I don't necessarily believe Inneston is going to uphold that form with Irish Point, but his breeding, for me, would also give him an edge against Irish Point over hurdles.

I was one who mentioned Joshua Tree being a reason for being wary of Irish Point, however, he is fairly new to the breeding game so maybe this was a little unfair. As of yet though he's produced nothing of note in the NH sphere. He has time, of course, to do so.

Gordon looked to have a fairly decent looking novice hurdle bunch this season, with the 3 most touted being Imagine, Firefox Glow and Irish Point. The two former were far from impressive so it will be interesting to see what sort of performance Irish Point can put together. Hopefully we see him soon.

[JackieMoon33]

Nice one JackieMoon33

I do see the Gary Moore vs Gordon argument, at the end of the day Gordon has won plenty more festival races than Gary, so it makes complete sense.

I don't necessarily believe Inneston is going to uphold that form with Irish Point, but his breeding, for me, would also give him an edge against Irish Point over hurdles.

I was one who mentioned Joshua Tree being a reason for being wary of Irish Point, however, he is fairly new to the breeding game so maybe this was a little unfair. As of yet though he's produced nothing of note in the NH sphere. He has time, of course, to do so.

Gordon looked to have a fairly decent looking novice hurdle bunch this season, with the 3 most touted being Imagine, Firefox Glow and Irish Point. The two former were far from impressive so it will be interesting to see what sort of performance Irish Point can put together. Hopefully we see him soon.

It’s tough for the new sires to begin with and they need to catch a break before they start getting the better supply. Walk In The Park is a good example, he also started out in France for a lowly fee and now he’s fetching 20k a job and has the most wanted nuts in the NH game.

Based on this weekend it could be that Robcour have two of Gordon’s better novices in Irish Point and Absolute Notions. The latter I need convincing of as the Land Rover bumper is not historically a great race for future champion novice hurdlers.

[Liammet]

Cool Survivor
Albert Bartlett

Runs for Gordon Elliott and Jack Kennedy in Gigginstown Studs colours on Sunday.
Likely to be fav in a 3M Listed Novice Hurdle.

After his debut win over 2M4F connections said he's a 3M staying Novice.

If he won on Sunday at Cork then he'd definitely be an Albert Bartlett market-mover.

Hes generally 33/1.

Bet365 havent quoted yet.

Would someone be kind enough to request Bet365 to add
Cool Survivor - Albert Bartlett Novice Hurdle to their antepost market?

I know Gordon just had A.Mike win at Down Royal, and he's a Ballymore or an A.Bartlett potential runner.

But its wise to get the bases covered on all prices being up before Cool Survivor runs.

Any help would be welcome, thank you.

Bet 365 40/1

Thought it was worth covering at that price

The step up in trip could be the making of him

Runs 2 08 Cork

[darlojim]

Lot of Joy ain't winning no Mares novice, on the other hand Cromwell is looking like he's strengthening his squad plenty.

[Lbur4288]

Cromwell definitely looks to have recruited well. I was quite impressed with the winner there and the late money spoke. With that today, Path d'Oroux and even Letsbeclearaboutit running well amongst others. I think he will have a couple more live chances at Cheltenham away from the usual suspects of his.

[JackieMoon33]

Cromwell definitely looks to have recruited well. I was quite impressed with the winner there and the late money spoke. With that today, Path d'Oroux and even Letsbeclearaboutit running well amongst others. I think he will have a couple more live chances at Cheltenham away from the usual suspects of his.

Invictus Machin, who turned over Foxfire Glow yesterday, looks like he could be smart too.

[Lobos]

Lot of Joy ain't winning no Mares novice, on the other hand Cromwell is looking like he's strengthening his squad plenty.

Winner is very interesting. First race of any sort and good connections. Beat a Mullins hot pot too.

[ComplyOrDie]

Winner is very interesting. First race of any sort and good connections. Beat a Mullins hot pot too.

Hot pot on the day but you just know Mullins has several better than her anyway.

Gavin Cromwell has his lot in tip top nick right now, or as Quevega might say, they've had their medicine

[Lobos]

Hot pot on the day but you just know Mullins has several better than her anyway.

Gavin Cromwell has his lot in tip top nick right now, or as Quevega might say, they've had their medicine

She was well fancied today with top flat form. Think Willie will be disappointed she got beat.

[Irish Rugby]

La Malmason that has just won the 1.33 at Cork for Gavin Cromwell, FTO, was the horse that Barry Geraghty bigged up, when challenged, when asked if he had bred another one at home that could rival Constitution Hill. While it was only a mares maiden hurdle, the horse won it well, the winner and the 2nd 13 lengths ahead of the field. Another one of Gavin's who has had a nice few days.

[Big Bucks]

La Malmason that has just won the 1.33 at Cork for Gavin Cromwell, FTO, was the horse that Barry Geraghty bigged up, when challenged, when asked if he had bred another one at home that could rival Constitution Hill. While it was only a mares maiden hurdle, the horse won it well, the winner and the 2nd 13 lengths ahead of the field. Another one of Gavin's who has had a nice few days.

Quote from RP from Cromwells Stable tour!

We've got a lovely unraced filly called La Malmason who could be very nice and we're looking forward to getting her started


I'm on Mozzie Later let's hope he bangs another in!

[Eggs]

….La Malmason still 40-1 with BV for MNH. 365 & Sky have cut to 20-1.

Post race comments will be interesting re plans.

[Lbur4288]

….La Malmason still 40-1 with BV for MNH. 365 & Sky have cut to 20-1.

Just came here to post the same thing. I have taken some of this.

[Eggs]

Just came here to post the same thing. I have taken some of this.

….20-1 now.

She just won really nicely on debut over 2m 4f on heavy, not sure if they have plans to drop her in distance.