Which horse for 2022 currently priced at 20/1+ havent you backed yet, but like?

[Saxon Warrior]

I don’t remember suggesting it but that may well have been me.
Now the horse hacked up in the Supreme it’s easy to mock the staying chase opinions that may/may not have been voiced but I can’t imagine there were too many who saw AI as a Supreme horse last Summer, staying options are usually the favourite route for decent bumper (champion bumper) horses.
Plus we were in lockdown for months, brains became scrambled…

No, I would have never picked Appreciate It as a Supreme winner this time last year.

But that puts me in with many others, including Willie Mullins, who thought the same thing.

Lots of things can happen when the season starts, but KD performing well in Novice Chases, is something that I think is more likely to happen, than not.

But, unlike Lobos, I don’t have a fully formed view of which race he would be most suited to…..yet.

[Lobos]

I think 'fully formed view' might be taking it a bit too far........'total guess' is probably more appropriate

[BigChaang]

Any Other Mullin's horses that could be potential Runners for the N.H.Chs. ??. Aione ?? , was mentioned last year .

[Eggs]

….not strictly in theme with the thread but took 22-1 (with boost & cash-out option) for Greaneteen in the Ryanair.

Ok, it’s not trained in Ireland but it finished the year with a decisive victory over PTKO & Altior & Bryony Frost immediately stated it will be some horse over 2.5m next season. Only 12-1 with Bet365.

[Istabraq]

No, I would have never picked Appreciate It as a Supreme winner this time last year.

But that puts me in with many others, including Willie Mullins, who thought the same thing.

Lots of things can happen when the season starts, but KD performing well in Novice Chases, is something that I think is more likely to happen, than not.

But, unlike Lobos, I don’t have a fully formed view of which race he would be most suited to…..yet.

Definitely, and archie always talks about Mullins not even considering a target until the Autumn.
Interesting line I read somewhere recently about (KD) always being able to revert back to hurdles, suggests to me there could be a chasing experiment somewhere early in the season and at that point I’m sure there’ll be some fancy prices around for the Stayers which may be the opportunity to grab some value…

[Saxon Warrior]

Definitely, and archie always talks about Mullins not even considering a target until the Autumn.
Interesting line I read somewhere recently about (KD) always being able to revert back to hurdles, suggests to me there could be a chasing experiment somewhere early in the season and at that point I’m sure there’ll be some fancy prices around for the Stayers which may be the opportunity to grab some value…

Thats the only thing on my mind Ista regarding Klassical Dream and hurdling.

The current Stayers price is easily avoidable, with him going Novice Chasing.

He's going to have to underperform over fences to run in the Stayers - or have a problem and not get the chasing runs in before March.

With KD - "is he a staying novice chaser?" - is the current question on my mind.

Or could he rip up the Arkle division? - jumping well over 12 fences (rather than 8 hurdles) at a pace and accuracy that few can compete with.

[taylorch1990]

Any Other Mullin's horses that could be potential Runners for the N.H.Chs. ??. Aione ?? , was mentioned last year .

I'd have thought Stattler at this stage was the one. Just short of top class in staying novice hurdles. I'd expect him to be behind Gallaird Du Mesnil and Galopin Des Champs in the pecking order next year this looks his most likely target.

[Kautostar]

Thats the only thing on my mind Ista regarding Klassical Dream and hurdling.

The current Stayers price is easily avoidable, with him going Novice Chasing.

He's going to have to underperform over fences to run in the Stayers - or have a problem and not get the chasing runs in before March.

With KD - "is he a staying novice chaser?" - is the current question on my mind.

Or could he rip up the Arkle division? - jumping well over 12 fences (rather than 8 hurdles) at a pace and accuracy that few can compete with.

Just leave him alone until he’s entered in a chase and then decide from there. I still think he’ll be targeted at the stayers hurdle personally.

[archie]

Klassical Dream is an enigma inside a conundrum. Any target next March is just a guess no matter how it's dressed up.

Of course, at the right price and depending on your risk strategy, every horse has a value price and that price is completely subjective and based on your personal (and possibly unconscious) fudge factor. However, my fudge factor for him to make any named race is almost off the scale at the moment.

This is a horse that has had one run since 2019 and that in itself makes him easy to ignore until he gets an entry in the autumn.
Willie's words after Punchestown are also easy to put to one side. He is forced to say something and to assume that careful, or any, thought has been given beforehand is dangerous. The only thing that you can say for sure about Punchestown is that an SP of 5/1 after 487 days off the course indicates that they knew that the engine was still intact.

[Saxon Warrior]

KD is certainly not a horse to build your hopes around.

I am seeing him as a 'loose cannon' in the Arkle, Marsh, RSA and Stayers, and one who could cause betting books in those races a big problem.

My plan is the same as archie and look for initial entries when the season begins, and WPM's Stable Tour to see his 'starting plan' for the horse.

I'm not sure we've ever had news on why he missed over a year, have we?

[Quevega]

Any Other Mullin's horses that could be potential Runners for the N.H.Chs. ??. Aione ?? , was mentioned last year .

On the ropes
if fit and returning next season would be my pick.
both Mullins have continually referred to needing a horse like this for the NH chase these days.
they’ve just not had it fall for them the last couple years or so, as regards having the right type for the race.
age and experience wise.

[Fouroverthrutwo]

Any Other Mullin's horses that could be potential Runners for the N.H.Chs. ??. Aione ?? , was mentioned last year .

Five O'clock was mooted as a potential staying chaser this time last year but for whatever reason we didn't get to see him (presumably injured)?. Assuming he is still in training and is in good health he could be another potential NHC candidate.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Five O'clock was mooted as a potential staying chaser this time last year but for whatever reason we didn't get to see him (presumably injured)?. Assuming he is still in training and is in good health he could be another potential NHC candidate.

Yeah he's a bit of a forgotten horse. Not sure it was a big injury that kept him out last season, rather a series of minor niggles. He's in the tracker and I'll back him once he gets a novice chase entry - I think he's got a touch of class.

[Spectre]

There were noises coming out of Closutton that Five O’clock was every bit as good as Monkfish when they were both schooling before their novice chase campaigns last year. Given we know Willie likes to target a classy future staying chaser at the boys race I think that’s worth taking note of with regards an off the radar Five O’clock for this season.

[FinalFurlong91]

Envoi allen 20/1 gold cup

Its just the wrong price

He ran with a chipped bone at punchestown so a line can be put through that

I personally have stamina doubts but that's more than factored into the price

Hes one win in a weak race away from being 6/1-8/1 again

Finally added him with paddy boosted to 22/1