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Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

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  • Asterion Forlonge looks fairly solid to me.
    Ticks most boxes.
    Unbeaten.
    won deloitte/at dublin.
    Trained by Mullins.
    Stays well, and has speed.

    Shishkin (whilst he could also be good) has not got as much going for him.

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    • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
      That's good, theres others in there, it's a solid race. I see that sporting john and the impressive last time out winner kid commando Are both jocked up too.

      I obviously hope master debonair wins, and if he dosent atleast I can cash on him.
      Tizzard leaning towards Ballymore for master debonair. In the latest Racing&Football Outlook trainer file

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      • Originally posted by PaisleyPark View Post
        Tizzard leaning towards Ballymore for master debonair. In the latest Racing&Football Outlook trainer file
        Master Debonair doesn't have an entry for the Ballymore, only the Supreme

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        • Originally posted by PaisleyPark View Post
          Tizzard leaning towards Ballymore for master debonair. In the latest Racing&Football Outlook trainer file
          No hes not its supreme only for master debonair

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          • Originally posted by PaisleyPark View Post
            Tizzard leaning towards Ballymore for master debonair. In the latest Racing&Football Outlook trainer file
            That would stagger me at this stage

            JM, let's be avin youuuu

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
              That would stagger me at this stage

              JM, let's be avin youuuu
              It sounds like Colin has been allowed to talk to the press again.

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              • I need to stop trusting trainers... but he should know which races hes entered them for Maybe he was interviewed a while back.

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                • Originally posted by PaisleyPark View Post
                  I need to stop trusting trainers... but he should know which races hes entered them for Maybe he was interviewed a while back.
                  I can't trust somebody without a picture....

                  Follow me....

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                  • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                    That would stagger me at this stage

                    JM, let's be avin youuuu
                    I just read the article and my heart sank. No entry for The Master in the Ballymore so nothing to see here.

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                    • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                      I just read the article and my heart sank. No entry for The Master in the Ballymore so nothing to see here.
                      Can they supplement him if he doesn't win this weekend?

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                      • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                        Can they supplement him if he doesn't win this weekend?
                        Are you asking to be kicked out the band and your cow bell confiscated?

                        I’d look a right plum with my profile picture now!

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                        • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                          Are you asking to be kicked out the band and your cow bell confiscated?

                          I’d look a right plum with my profile picture now!
                          You'll just have to hope he's one for next year

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                          • The more I look at this race the more happy I am with Abacadabras, and whilst the 7/2 a few weeks back was too short, I think 6/1 is more than fair. Envoi Allen would be 5/4 for this and were Aba not held up towards rear with a slight mistake at the last he would have run Envoi to less than 1L and potentially won the race. That's seriously good form and with Darver Star running Honeysuckle close this weekend the form has taken another step forward. Gordon has got invaluable experience into him early and sends him to Cheltenham fresh, which is something I think he regrets not doing with some of his others in previous years.

                            In terms of the shape of the market, I think there has been a massive over reaction to Shishkin & AF who are both subsequently too short (at current prices AF no question a better bet). After that there isn't much else that grabs me. Jeremy's Flame bombed paying the Fiddlerontheroof form no compliments, Captain Guinness would be going into the race with little experience and having lost to horse I think is overrated, Master Debonair was impressive at Ascot but lost at Cheltenham vs a horse Aba had little issue putting to bed in a matter of strides and the rest are meh. The most interesting is probably Chantry House @ 10/1 NRNB. To me he looks all over more suited to the Ballymore, but if JP pitched him in here as his main Supreme hope he'd go off half that price and go into it with a live chance.

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                            • Yep, timing is everything charlie.
                              Bookies overreacting to a performance is part of their DNA and sometimes waiting and letting the dust settle is the sensible approach.
                              Case in point is Appreciate It who I saw 2/1 for the bumper yesterday, I doubt any of the half sensible good people in here are adding that to any betslips...

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                              • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
                                Yep, timing is everything charlie.
                                Bookies overreacting to a performance is part of their DNA and sometimes waiting and letting the dust settle is the sensible approach.
                                Case in point is Appreciate It who I saw 2/1 for the bumper yesterday, I doubt any of the half sensible good people in here are adding that to any betslips...
                                Yeh once Cheltenham is over I think a thread about bookie overreactions and that window of price opportunity is definitely warranted. Aba being pushed out to 16/1 after having lost by 1L to Envoi Allen was laughable and a huge opportunity for punters.

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