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  • #91
    Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
    Exactly this, which is why the decision/announcement was made 18 months out.

    Knew we’d agree on something eventually....


    We should do annual awards and one could be

    Devil's Advocate Award - Only Quevega and I need apply

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    • #92
      Originally posted by quevega View Post
      Partly, agree with the last comment, although I think most Sports need a Focal Point, especially racing which is available daily.
      There are plenty of people who will only watch big Premier league games etc, and not Salford vs Leeds in the Caraboa cup.
      And some still that may only watch the Fa Cup Final or Champions League Final.

      You can say the same for most sports
      Tennis - Wimbledon.
      Golf - Masters & the Open
      Cricket - Ashes & World Cup's

      etc etc.

      So it's not a bad thing.

      The rest of your comments seem to forget the obvious. That although you may be correct that not all people will switch over to watch.
      At least they'd have the choice to do so, if enticed/inclined.

      Most will probably not have the choice if at work on a Friday afternoon, and there's a good reason all the other sports don't have their best events on a Friday afternoon either.

      So anyone watching Cheltenham on a Friday will likely be already a fan of the sport, and I think they only get roughly 17% audience share also. Which means that there's plenty of other competition out there for new blood to get hooked on the Sport.

      Like Countdown, Homes Abroad, Internet Porn (laptop's allow both for this, I'm assured), Fortnite. and playing outside (if that's a thing anymore).

      Absolutely and 100% the Sport's greatest event would get more viewers and therefore potential new fans and supporters if the festival was on at a weekend. Despite the competition.

      The proviso being that one of the mainstream channels was showing it live. And that's a doubt with the other events you mentioned.
      But not out of the question completely I'd imagine.

      I'm not saying there is a desperate need to move the festival.
      But if you could or had to start from scratch (from a marketing point of view). And a vote was held as to what time and day of the week the Gold Cup (best National Hunt race of the year) should be shown.
      Pretty sure what would win.
      What is the real gain though is people are only switching over during a Saturday to watch that one specific race?


      If it's Friday, hardly any casuals will tune in.... agreed.

      On a Saturday, IF (and a big IF), IF, they tune in, it's only for that 1 race... and really they only care about having a bet and winning on the race.... they'd have no idea that Santini, Topofthegame and Delta Work bring in an incredible novice chase battle from last year, or Presenting Percy aims to bounce back from beating a beaten fav last time, or the King George winner is rocking up.... .it's just a betting race... if they win, (or the fav wins), they'll be happy and tune in for that 1 race next year.... if they lose, maybe they have another go.


      Pandering to the betting public that are into football is NOT the way to go.

      As a convert from Football to Horse Racing, that didn't come because it was on Channel 4.... it was a Breeders Cup 'night' with a couple of my degenerate gambling mates... and I happened to stumble across Zenyatta, Frankel and then the Kauto Star/Denman battles...... now that's almost a perfect storm...

      Accept where they are.... Tuesday to Friday is OUR TIME.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
        0% chance he's backed anything single figures based on his pathetic staking over the last couple of years
        I prefer to label it a very measured and calculated approach myself
        On the other hand, I'll leave this quote up…never gets old reading it...

        Originally posted by iainmcf View Post
        Kev, would you call yourself a mug punter or do you simply try to cover as many horses in a race with the idea of making a small profit.I dont see how you would get a buzz out of watching the Supreme or the Champion Hurdle after backing near 20 horses in each of those races but then again each to their own.
        Q - there is obviously a degree of wishful thinking there having backed her as all bets do. But that consists across 2 multiples (a double with Benie and a double with Paisley Park) and if they didn’t play out it wouldn’t be a huge blow or at least no more of a blow than most others placed at this stage.

        For me there’s enough reasons there that indicate the outcome of the Mares is likely in my opinion. But I can also see your reasoning why it may not happen. Add in the Mullins factor to add another question mark.
        Like you say, game of opinions. And it's all about backing those up

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        • #94
          Originally posted by jono View Post
          I prefer to label it a very measured and calculated approach myself
          On the other hand, I'll leave this quote up…never gets old reading it...



          Q - there is obviously a degree of wishful thinking there having backed her as all bets do. But that consists across 2 multiples (a double with Benie and a double with Paisley Park) and if they didn’t play out it wouldn’t be a huge blow or at least no more of a blow than most others placed at this stage.

          For me there’s enough reasons there that indicate the outcome of the Mares is likely in my opinion. But I can also see your reasoning why it may not happen. Add in the Mullins factor to add another question mark.
          Like you say, game of opinions. And it's all about backing those up
          Exactly Jono
          You got to go with what you think.
          Even if it seems illogical/unattractive to someone else. Although I value all opinions as there’s always something you’ve/I’ve missed that would influence me.
          Unless a bet’s preposterous.
          It’s always got a chance of landing.

          Paisley park to win the 2019 stayers
          Espoir dallen to win the champion hurdle

          This time last year, only an idiot would have stated a strong case for them.

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          • #95
            touche!

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            • #96
              n the words of Jim Kerr

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              • #97
                As the 2023/24 jumps season draws to a close, Kevin looks at what changes could be made to keep National Hunt fans coming back for more.


                Think Kevin's been reading fat jockey.
                Stops short of weekend festivals though.
                That would have blown minds.
                Feature race last on the card ? Archie will be pissed.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by quevega View Post
                  https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/kevin-blake

                  Think Kevin's been reading fat jockey.
                  Stops short of weekend festivals though.
                  That would have blown minds.
                  Feature race last on the card ? Archie will be pissed.
                  Talks a lot of sense, as he always tends to do but only 5 races a day though...hell no.

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                  • #99
                    And 11 chases with 8 hurdle races, huge imbalance there, though I suspect much of the piece was tongue in cheek...

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                    • Originally posted by quevega View Post
                      https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/kevin-blake

                      Think Kevin's been reading fat jockey.
                      Stops short of weekend festivals though.
                      That would have blown minds.
                      Feature race last on the card ? Archie will be pissed.
                      I replied to him about the idea of a 5 race card as horrific. To which KB suggests I open my mind. I’m someone who hates 6 race cards (as seen on this thread) but 5 is just ridiculous imo.

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                      • Any live sport needs to balance the needs of its direct customers and indirect consumers. As a media man, Kevin Blake has a vested interest in giving preference to indirect consumers so his comments are easily dismissed and earn him a squiggle in the journalism ratings.

                        Realistically, Cheltenham would find it difficult to charge £100 for a 5 race card so it would be a financial loser as well unless Kevin's media pals want to cough up more for the rights.
                        I wouldn't mind the last race being the feature race as long as it was scheduled early enough. Races at 13.00, 13.45, 14.30, 15.15 and 16.00 would work, logistically at least.
                        Last edited by archie; 20 August 2019, 03:01 PM.

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                        • A stream of bets on the 3m2f race has seen it cut to 2nd favourite to be scrapped


                          It appears the Kim Muir Handicap Chase could be the one to make way for the new Mares Chase at the 2021 Cheltenham Festival, as the bookie offering odds has cut the race from 7/1 to 9/4.


                          The Novice Handicap Chase has drifted but remains the 6/4 favourite whilst the Juvenile Handicap Hurdle is third in the market at 11/4.
                          98% of bets on the market have been on the Amatuer riders’ race, which was won by Derek O’Connor for Ted Walsh on board Any Second Now.


                          Oddschecker spokesman, Callum Wilson: "It appears the amateur riders might have one less shot at a festival winner in 2021 as the betting trends suggest the Kim Muir is the one that will be scrapped.


                          "The proportion of money going on the market makes you think that the punters might just know something."



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                          The above is taken from Oddschecker.... strikes me that 98% of the oddschecker users are Final Furlong Podcast listeners

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                          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                            A stream of bets on the 3m2f race has seen it cut to 2nd favourite to be scrapped


                            It appears the Kim Muir Handicap Chase could be the one to make way for the new Mares Chase at the 2021 Cheltenham Festival, as the bookie offering odds has cut the race from 7/1 to 9/4.


                            The Novice Handicap Chase has drifted but remains the 6/4 favourite whilst the Juvenile Handicap Hurdle is third in the market at 11/4.
                            98% of bets on the market have been on the Amatuer riders’ race, which was won by Derek O’Connor for Ted Walsh on board Any Second Now.


                            Oddschecker spokesman, Callum Wilson: "It appears the amateur riders might have one less shot at a festival winner in 2021 as the betting trends suggest the Kim Muir is the one that will be scrapped.


                            "The proportion of money going on the market makes you think that the punters might just know something."



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                            The above is taken from Oddschecker.... strikes me that 98% of the oddschecker users are Final Furlong Podcast listeners
                            If true it would be a disgrace to bin a race with 75 renewals of history for a race few people want and even fewer think is needed.
                            There is no justification for keeping the day one nov ‘cap chase when two other options exist in my opinion...

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                            • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
                              If true it would be a disgrace to bin a race with 75 renewals of history for a race few people want and even fewer think is needed.
                              There is no justification for keeping the day one nov ‘cap chase when two other options exist in my opinion...
                              No, it's a witch hunt against amateurs in light of public perception isn't it

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                              • Does seem the amateurs are the fall guys, shame no-one seems to be respecting the games roots...

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