Cheltenham 2015 Antepost Bets

[Liam301287]

Lami Serge each way Hargam just straight. By way whats all this pts people mention im not used 2 it all. I might start using them for next year festival.

[loveracing]

Lami Serge each way Hargam just straight. By way whats all this pts people mention im not used 2 it all. I might start using them for next year festival.

Liam, to me "pts" is a way to disguise your stakes because I don't believe everyone bets level stakes.

Basically pts is a system for when you bet to see if you are up or down on level stakes.

[MrMcGoldrick]

Lami Serge each way Hargam just straight. By way whats all this pts people mention im not used 2 it all. I might start using them for next year festival.

A lot of bigger backers use a points system to grade the strength of a bet, so for instance if you would back a horse that you were confident would win and placed £20.00 on it, you are effectively backing at £2.00 per point. You would normally place your maximum bet on a horse of this type to reflect your confidence, which leaves you to put lesser multiples onto ones where you have less faith in them, so if there was one that you didn't want to go unbacked but had reservations you may allocate a strength of 3 points which means in this example you would place £6.00 on the horse.

[Lessey]

Lami Serge each way Hargam just straight. By way whats all this pts people mention im not used 2 it all. I might start using them for next year festival.

I'll try and explain simply but someone else may be able to do a better job than myself.

People often use points when talking about betting strategies because it takes the financial complication out of it making it easier to weigh up profit and loss etc. Most people have a set cash value that they bet for each race or on each horse, and so they refer to this constant as a point.

For instance if someone determines that each point for example is £10...a 1pt e/w bet on a 10/1 shot would be the equivalent of saying £10e/w and would cost £20 or 2pts. Say that 10/1 shot wins you're return would be £145 or 14.5pts (£110/11pts for the win, £35/3.5 for the place at 1/4 odds). Minus your original stake you're then +12.5pts.

It's just an easier way or monitoring than dealing with large cash sums. Hope that has helped slightly

[MrMcGoldrick]

Liam, to me "pts" is a way to disguise your stakes because I don't believe everyone bets level stakes.

Basically pts is a system for when you bet to see if you are up or down on level stakes.

You beat me to it LR

[Liam301287]

Thanks loveracing just want sure that was all.

[Liam301287]

Lessey also.

[loveracing]

A couple of stinkers, but here are mine.

Day 1
Seedling Supreme 33
Arctic Fire Champion Hurdle 33
Irving Champion Hurdle 50

Day 2
Tell Us More Neptune 7
Dodging Bullets QMCC 12
The Young Master RSA 16

Day 3
Gilgamboa JLT 10
Johns Spirit Ryanair 12
Ballynagour Ryanair 33
Lieutenant Colonel World Hurdle 12
Blue Fasion World Hurdle 20
Un Temps Pour Tout World Hurdle 16

Day 4
Seamour Triumph 50
Thomas Brown Albert Bartlett 16
Road To Riches Gold Cup 10

[loveracing]

Here is a question.

Lets say if you usually bet 1pt = £100 stake. How much % of that £100 would you place on AP bets? Does not include NRNB!

[Liam301287]

My Stinkers are Chartbreaker and Alvisio Ville Neptune.

[Lessey]

Here is a question.

Lets say if you usually bet 1pt = £100 stake. How much % of that £100 would you place on AP bets? Does not include NRNB!

I assume you're talking metaphorically LR and are asking if someone changes the amount they bet because its an ante post bet?

If so, then my answer is I don't alter my stake for AP bets. The only thing I try to ensure upon is that the horse is definitely going to run in that intended race before backing it. I've been a little more speculative this year with some of the Gigginstown runners but am working on educated guesses so fingers crossed with those!

[loveracing]

I assume you're talking metaphorically LR and are asking if someone changes the amount they bet because its an ante post bet?

If so, then my answer is I don't alter my stake for AP bets. The only thing I try to ensure upon is that the horse is definitely going to run in that intended race before backing it. I've been a little more speculative this year with some of the Gigginstown runners but am working on educated guesses so fingers crossed with those!

Thats good to hear Lessey, maybe I need to be more patient and not hit the button so quick and try determine whether the horse will run or not. Anyway, I seem to bottle it and only bet half my usual stake on ap bets.

[TimRiggins]

Day 1

Supreme

2pt @ 10/1 L'Ami Serge
1pt @ 33/1 Qewy
1pt @ 28/1 Tell Us More


Champion Hurdle

0.5pt ew @ 33/1 Hurricane Fly


Mares Hurdle

1pt ew @ 50/1 Mayfair Music


National Hunt Chase

2pt Wounded Warrior @ 10/1



Day 2


Neptune

2pt Kilcrea Vale @ 14/1
1pt Beast of Burden @ 50/1


RSA

1pt @ 25/1 Apache Jack
2pt @ 14/1 Coneygree


QMCC

2pt @ 20/1 Champagne Fever
1pt ew @ 33/1 Simply Ned


Champion Bumper

2pt @ 14/1 Moon Racer
2pt @ 14/1 Un Quart De Tour



Day 3


JLT

1pt @ 40/1 The Tullow Tank


Ryanair

1pt @ 25/1 Ma Filleule
2pt @ 16/1 Taquin De Seuil


World Hurdle

0.5pt @ 50/1 Rock on Ruby
1.5pt @ 14/1 Saphir Du Rheu
0.5pt @ 40/1 See You At Midnight



Day 4


Triumph

2pt Hargam @ 14/1


Albert Bartlett

2pt @ 25/1 Shantou Bob
2pt @ 14/1 No More Heroes


Gold Cup

0.5pt @ 60/1 Many Clouds
1pt @ 33/1 Road to Riches
1pt @ 33/1 Coneygree (NRNB)


That's the good, and the live...

[TimRiggins]

I've got several bad and ugly ones, too!

Supreme

2pt @ 20/1 Silver Concorde


Champ Hurdle

2pt @ 25/1 Vaniteux
2pt @ 25/1 Irving


Triumph

2pt @ 25/1 Golden Doyen


Ryanair

2pt @ 25/1 Al Ferof
2pt @ 25/1 Djakadam
2pt @ 20/1 Ballycasey
2pt @ 25/1 Caid Du Berlais


I also backed Al Ferof @ 25/1 in the QMCC as well, so he owes me a few quid

[loveracing]

At what stage does everyone start backing for next years Fest?

There are some nice odds you have there.