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The ULTIMA Handicap Chase

Vintage clouds is such a good price to place, even with skybet 7 places at 16/1. I've added the horse with Balko Saint / homme public (split bets) Sharjah and Escaria ten to all place in there races.
 
charlie said:
I placed my AP bets with Sky who were offering 5 places at the time. Pretty sure AP bets will be 5 places and bets struck from today will be 7.
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Yep, which is why I always leave my Ew multiples until the week itself. No brainer with the 2-3 extra places.
 
Lobos said:
Yep, which is why I always leave my Ew multiples until the week itself. No brainer with the 2-3 extra places.
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Ah I thought you meant Ante Post. Its a trade off though. You might get more places but the price is likely to be significantly shorter
 
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charlie said:
Ah I thought you meant Ante Post. Its a trade off though. You might get more places but the price is likely to be significantly shorter
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Always a good trade off for me as do 2 in one race and 3 in another so with up to 7 places there's always the possibility of getting all 6 place doubles in and also the 1 big win double in each bet. Plus you are guaranteed runners. Fabulous bet. I'll post them every day on here.
 
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Timeform 1-2-3
  1. Happygolucky (IRE) ★★★★★
  2. Aye Right (IRE) ★★★★
  3. Milan Native (IRE) ★★★
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Novices have an excellent record in this and HAPPYGOLUCKY is taken to enhance it further. He had plenty to spare in a 5-runner novice here in December and proved he can handle the hustle and bustle of a big field when fourth in the Martin Pipe last season. The tough and reliable Aye Right should make another bold bid, with last year's Kim Muir winner Milan Native another to consider.
 
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Saxon Warrior said:
Timeform 1-2-3
  1. Happygolucky (IRE) ★★★★★
  2. Aye Right (IRE) ★★★★
  3. Milan Native (IRE) ★★★
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Looks good enough for me. The 1st two are my only bets after cashing out of Escaria.
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I did like lieutenant rocco for this but a non runner now
 
I've not done any of those 3, I've only done One for the team and Vintage clouds to place. Originally I did do Lieutenant rocco, after being ruled out I thought One for the Team was the best horse to do next. I could be underestimating Happygolucky but I watched its last run when it won and I just didn't think much of the win myself. I could be completely wrong and if it wins then fair enough but I just didn't think it can win this race. One for the team I think just doesn't like soft ground, good or good to soft will suit this horse better. Plus Vintage Clouds has had some slog races and has had to carry top weight in its prep races. Down to a mark of 143 where its won off in the past and came 2nd in this race a couple of years back.
 
Because of the title of this race and because of the poster who started the thread, does anyone else see the thread title and immediately think of WWF in the 90s?
 
Garrison Savannah said:
Because of the title of this race and because of the poster who started the thread, does anyone else see the thread title and immediately think of WWF in the 90s?
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....nope, unless I’m missing something obvious, I can’t connect ‘Ultima’ or ‘Saxon Warrior’ to the World Wildlife Fund.
 
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Saxon Warrior said:
Timeform 1-2-3
  1. Happygolucky (IRE) ★★★★★
  2. Aye Right (IRE) ★★★★
  3. Milan Native (IRE) ★★★
Timeform View


Novices have an excellent record in this and HAPPYGOLUCKY is taken to enhance it further. He had plenty to spare in a 5-runner novice here in December and proved he can handle the hustle and bustle of a big field when fourth in the Martin Pipe last season. The tough and reliable Aye Right should make another bold bid, with last year's Kim Muir winner Milan Native another to consider.
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Tricast anyone.
 
Garrison Savannah said:
Because of the title of this race and because of the poster who started the thread, does anyone else see the thread title and immediately think of WWF in the 90s?
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I see where you’re coming from :biggrin-new: but I don’t want to go there. :biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new:
 
Haha every time I see this thread...
 
I feel like these horses have no chance, or shown nothing at all to make them appealing at the prices

No hopers

Soupy Soups
Fingerontheswitch
The Wolf
Nietzsche
Delire DEstruval
Admirals Secret
Ok Corral - clutching at a 2019 win over Secret Investor... beat Fingerontheswitch who I give no chance and trainer claimed it was because of the flatter track.... PU in the NH Chase.... can't see it!


Ones you could give a chance too, if they drifted

Discordantly - only in this list because hasn't completed the last twice and going fine in the Thystes..... short at 16s though at the moment given that is the angle.
Pym - beat If The Cap Fits.... which is, just, alright. If he drifted I would be interested but 14/1 is a tiny bit tight
Alnadam - never tried 3 miles. He's progressive but 12/1? Sick emoji!


Ones worth considering 7 places...

Vintage Clouds at 16/1 - placed in this race off 141 and 144 - currently 143. Was 8th last year off of 151.

Cepage at 12/1 - came 7th last year, 3 lbs higher now BUT if there is any 'good' in the going, would he hold on a bit longer? Not like he has a ground preference from what I can see, but I really fancy he'll run to his rating, and are there 7 horses we can find better than him?! Now he's a bit older, perhaps the trip is what he needs? (can't you tell I really want to back this horse)

Pym I suppose at 14/1 despite being in the above, you'd consider him as not sure 7 are better.

Milan Native 9/1 - 7 places - Kim Muir winner.... he's not gonna be out of the first 7.

Aye Right 11/2 - 7 places, good jockey booking, obvious claims.

One For The Team - 11/2 - 7 places, the run behind Next Destination is what's interesting (RELATED DOUBLE ALERT) .... I'd definitely, definitely fancy Next Destination more if OFTT has won the Ultima, that's a good'un....the trainer and this race deserve a mention but he is a bit short perhaps?

Happygolucky - 100% in the first 7 if completing.








So essentially, I'm tempted to back Vintage Clouds again, and am leaning towards getting perhaps Pym and Cepage backed 7 places....

Now obviously the ones I've ruled out are the bigger prices, but I tried really hard and couldn't see any angle at all other than leaps of faith. Niezsche in particular, what on earth is he doing in this race.
 
Note that although Sky pay 7 places this only applies if all 16 go, 14 or 15 runners they pay 6 places.
Also, there’s no place only market that I can see so you are ‘wasting’ the win part of all each way plays...
 
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I’ve gone OTT with Skybets extra places which is a bit dull on reflection with no cash out available. I still stand by my 3 original fancies for this race which are:

Happygolucky - backed him TWAR in May and topped up at 25/1 & 20/1. I really hope he gets around and does Spectre and the forum proud. He’s got a great chance.

Aye Right - not from a fashionable yard but got a brilliant jockey on board even if Dicky’s Cheltenham record is not good but Aye Right has a nice combination of experience and match fitness so I expect him to definitely be involved at the finish. Nabbed him at 25/1 when the Ultima market appeared on B365, I really like the horse.

Pym - not only does he have a brilliant sounding surname I think he’s got a genuine live chance. He’s got C&D, jumps well and prefers better ground. I think he is more than capable of winning if he can keep up with the better handicapped horses.
 
The King Pimm said:
I’ve gone OTT with Skybets extra places which is a bit dull on reflection with no cash out available
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No cashout but the betfair market is maturing all the time so you can trade your position on the exchange...
 
The King Pimm said:
I’ve gone OTT with Skybets extra places which is a bit dull on reflection with no cash out available. I still stand by my 3 original fancies for this race which are:

Happygolucky - backed him TWAR in May and topped up at 25/1 & 20/1. I really hope he gets around and does Spectre and the forum proud. He’s got a great chance.

Aye Right - not from a fashionable yard but got a brilliant jockey on board even if Dicky’s Cheltenham record is not good but Aye Right has a nice combination of experience and match fitness so I expect him to definitely be involved at the finish. Nabbed him at 25/1 when the Ultima market appeared on B365, I really like the horse.

Pym - not only does he have a brilliant sounding surname I think he’s got a genuine live chance. He’s got C&D, jumps well and prefers better ground. I think he is more than capable of winning if he can keep up with the better handicapped horses.
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Johnson has 23 festival winners fourth most ever it’s not that bad?
 
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