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The Boodles Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

....Palm Beach into 25-1 from 33s (Hills) after finishing 2nd today.
 
What do we think of Saint Sam for this?

His last run was better than his debut but he doesn’t look like being up to the top table for the triumph. One more run in decent company or even a win in an easier juvenile race would see a reasonable handicap mark. Obviously needs a third run am I right in saying? Mullins has Ha D’Or, Youmdor and possibly Bring On The Night as triumph hopefuls, would be surprised if he runs anymore than 2/3 in that.

Not priced up anywhere yet but one to keep an eye on I think.
 
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Craigy14 said:
What do we think of Saint Sam for this?

His last run was better than his debut but he doesn’t look like being up to the top table for the triumph. One more run in decent company or even a win in an easier juvenile race would see a reasonable handicap mark. Obviously needs a third run am I right in saying? Mullins has Ha D’Or, Youmdor and possibly Bring On The Night as triumph hopefuls, would be surprised if he runs anymore than 2/3 in that.

Not priced up anywhere yet but one to keep an eye on I think.
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I made the same comment to a friend of mine Craig. He was definitely ridden not to get too close, and ran on when asked far too late. Given he won twice in France in the summer you’d think Willie will want to place him to best effect which doesn’t look like The Triumph. He’s due his opening mark next week which will be interesting.
 
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I don't think Willie was plotting him for anything. I just don't think he's good enough for a Triumph. Not sure what he'll have 'in-hand' on whatever mark he gets is probably fair.

Any horse can be improved for March, but whatever mark he gets is probably very fair... and may not have as much hidden as he would if he'd been campaigned in another stable. IMO of course.
 
Want to see Youmdor get another entry soon, he looked good first time out.
 
Anyone thinking of backing Hacker Des Places he suffered a nasty cut LTO and currently waiting to see what the damage is
 
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Garrison Savannah said:
Anyone think Youmdor might come here?
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Find it unlikely as he'll need two more runs before the festival to get a mark. Of course it's a possibility but you'd be wanting his next run sooner rather than later now.
 
Thanks wasn’t aware of that - should probably have been in the stupid question thread!
 
I've added Coventry @ 33/1 for this (sky special request a bet).
 
charlie said:
I've added Coventry @ 33/1 for this (sky special request a bet).
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They've been useless since Peter Ndlovu finished.

Not that I can prove it, but I spelt that right first time, without googling it.
 
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Kevloaf said:
They've been useless since Peter Ndlovu finished.

Not that I can prove it, but I spelt that right first time, without googling it.
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More of a rugby man.....:friendly_wink:
 
charlie said:
More of a rugby man.....:friendly_wink:
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Hahaha,

On NYE, I watched Series 1, 2 and Christmas specials of The Office.

Has been Detectorists the last couple of years to warm the cockles for the summer months to look forward to but this year, given it's 20 years since it first aired, we decided to go for that.

What a great decision.



I was so annoying to watch it with though, just saying the lines as, or even worse, before they were said.
 
Couple of things I noticed while looking through Sky's RAB section tonight, if they're of interest to anyone. They have Flying Scotsman priced up at 33/1 for this and he seems to be best price 25/1 elsewhere. Also Saint Sam is 25/1 in their any race market and is best priced 16/1 for this with Unibet & 365.
 
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isitmarchyet said:
Couple of things I noticed while looking through Sky's RAB section tonight, if they're of interest to anyone. They have Flying Scotsman priced up at 33/1 for this and he seems to be best price 25/1 elsewhere. Also Saint Sam is 25/1 in their any race market and is best priced 16/1 for this with Unibet & 365.
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Joined you on Saint Sam Isitmarchyet - thanks for highlighting it.

Just went back for a second bit but they've cut it to 20-1.

Bit of a concern that the Boodles is not a race seems particularly keen on - he hasn't had a single runner in two of the last 3 years.
 
Another potential for this after being flagged up by Paddy Kennedy is Autumn Evening. Won first time out over hurdles at Cork then came 5th in a hot race won by Zanahiyr. Hoping for another run to get a mark and will see what he is given. Also rated 78 on the flat where he contested in a decent field at he Curragh and finished 3rd.
 
Be interesting to see what Adjero tomorrow. David Pipe mentioned the Boodles as a possible target instead of Triumph after he won LTO. He’s capable of winning this race but a convenient placing may be more advantageous with this race in mind
 
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Be interesting to see what Adjero tomorrow. David Pipe mentioned the Boodles as a possible target instead of Triumph after he won LTO. He’s capable of winning this race but a convenient placing may be more advantageous with this race in mind
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I'd think they'll be trying to win tomorrow. It's a good prize and for me he has the best form and should win it comfortably. The fav has beaten trees, dead ones at that, and is ridiculously overated on what he's achieved.
 
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Lobos said:
I'd think they'll be trying to win tomorrow. It's a good prize and for me he has the best form and should win it comfortably. The fav has beaten trees, dead ones at that, and is ridiculously overated on what he's achieved.
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Dangerous to say that Lobos.

Goshen had beaten trees until the triumph and battered that field until he fell.

Not saying Nassalam is anything close to Goshen yet or if he ever will. Judging juvenile form after a couple runs is far too hard imo.
 
Craigy14 said:
Dangerous to say that Lobos.

Goshen had beaten trees until the triumph and battered that field until he fell.

Not saying Nassalam is anything close to Goshen yet or if he ever will. Judging juvenile form after a couple runs is far too hard imo.
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Goshen was beating far better horses in his early races. There's no comparison.
 
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