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Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

Lobos said:
Money for Unexcepted. Into 16's with Betfair/Paddy Power.
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Or they just cut him because this would be the target.


I'd be surprised at any significant money coming for a horse beaten over 20L last time out.

I don't think it was the trip that beat him either, so he's got to actually bounce back to form.


Did like him, lukewarm now but not a good bet at 16/1.

Obviously you can argue the 25/1 is alright with Lads now, as if PP have guided on the price, 25/1 is a price that'd tempt you in, in the hope he can bounce back.




He could I suppose, and I backed him originally at 20/1, so not beyond the realms.....and they've pushed him to 33/1 for the Ballymore
 
Kevloaf said:
Or they just cut him because this would be the target.


I'd be surprised at any significant money coming for a horse beaten over 20L last time out.

I don't think it was the trip that beat him either, so he's got to actually bounce back to form.


Did like him, lukewarm now but not a good bet at 16/1.

Obviously you can argue the 25/1 is alright with Lads now, as if PP have guided on the price, 25/1 is a price that'd tempt you in, in the hope he can bounce back.




He could I suppose, and I backed him originally at 20/1, so not beyond the realms.....and they've pushed him to 33/1 for the Ballymore
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Agree. Probably cut due to M Flyer entry.
 
Lobos said:
Agree. Probably cut due to M Flyer entry.
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He almost certainly has one and almost certainly runs. But the entries aren't out in public domain.
So a shame when Paddy tell you the answer.
 
Kevloaf said:
Or they just cut him because this would be the target.


I'd be surprised at any significant money coming for a horse beaten over 20L last time out.

I don't think it was the trip that beat him either, so he's got to actually bounce back to form.


Did like him, lukewarm now but not a good bet at 16/1.

Obviously you can argue the 25/1 is alright with Lads now, as if PP have guided on the price, 25/1 is a price that'd tempt you in, in the hope he can bounce back.




He could I suppose, and I backed him originally at 20/1, so not beyond the realms.....and they've pushed him to 33/1 for the Ballymore
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Disagree profusely (I'll throw that one in) re the trip not beating him......he is a 2 miler through and through. Closely related to Great Field which says a lot. We will see a different horse next time.
 
Scooby91 said:
He almost certainly has one and almost certainly runs. But the entries aren't out in public domain.
So a shame when Paddy tell you the answer.
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Absolutely my thinking also.
 
Lobos said:
Disagree profusely (I'll throw that one in) re the trip not beating him......he is a 2 miler through and through. Closely related to Great Field which says a lot. We will see a different horse next time.
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He was odds on to win the race, so for me he just didn't run his race, rather than he ran to the best of his ability but didn't stay?


Not the strongest opinion I'll have ever had, I haven't even bothered to watch it back but from memory he didn't look "outstayed".... he still beat Discorama home and he's more a stayer?
 
On Abra at big prices in Supreme and big doubles with Envoi. However, I have watched the Bumper back countless times and am continually having nagging doubts about whether he'll come up the hill well enough. He just might be that perverbial flat track bridle bully which is why I want to have the likes of Unexcepted, Fly Smart and Edwardstone on my side in this. Don't think it's the gimme like Envoi in the Ballymore.
 
Lobos said:
On Abra at big prices in Supreme and big doubles with Envoi. However, I have watched the Bumper back countless times and am continually having nagging doubts about whether he'll come up the hill well enough. He just might be that perverbial flat track bridle bully which is why I want to have the likes of Unexcepted, Fly Smart and Edwardstone on my side in this. Don't think it's the gimme like Envoi in the Ballymore.
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I don't think anybody thinks Abacadabras is a more likely winner of the Supreme than Envoi Allen is in the Ballymore though Lobos.


You're welcome for the Abacadbras / Envoi Allen double too by the way :p
 
Lobos said:
On Abra at big prices in Supreme and big doubles with Envoi. However, I have watched the Bumper back countless times and am continually having nagging doubts about whether he'll come up the hill well enough. He just might be that perverbial flat track bridle bully which is why I want to have the likes of Unexcepted, Fly Smart and Edwardstone on my side in this. Don't think it's the gimme like Envoi in the Ballymore.
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Abacadabras short enough at the moment and is a lay at the prices IMO. If I had backed Abacadabras early id be taking my stake back at 5.3 or 5.4 for a free bet, can't see him being any shorter with plenty of racing left. Hoping Hills do that extra place deal again this year. Allows for 2/3 extra EW's if you can get a couple of the favs covered at nice prices.
 
Kevloaf said:
I don't think anybody thinks Abacadabras is a more likely winner of the Supreme than Envoi Allen is in the Ballymore though Lobos.


You're welcome for the Abacadbras / Envoi Allen double too by the way :p
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Yeah thanks. 68/1 double not to be sniffed at ! Fingers crossed.
 
Toffees said:
Abacadabras short enough at the moment and is a lay at the prices IMO. If I had backed Abacadabras early id be taking my stake back at 5.3 or 5.4 for a free bet, can't see him being any shorter with plenty of racing left. Hoping Hills do that extra place deal again this year. Allows for 2/3 extra EW's if you can get a couple of the favs covered at nice prices.
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8 places last year.
 
Currently only 6 entered for the Moscow Flyer by 3 trainers

2 Willie
2 Gordon
2 Joseph?
 
It's now 8 horses/4 trainers but we don't know how many per trainer never mind which horses. Entries close at noon.
 
11 horses/5 trainers. I think that Willie tends to leave his final entries until late.
 
Not too much of interest in those entries. Actually most excited by Henrys..

Easywork entered at least Scooby
 
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