Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

[CUEMYCARD]

Apologies. Seen the answer in the post! Duh.

 

[TCH29]

Do we think Midnight Run will go Supreme or Ballymore??

His bumper form through Colvreey to Abaca’ makes you think he should be much shorter for the Supreme.

 

[Quevega]

Do we think Midnight Run will go Supreme or Ballymore??

His bumper form through Colvreey to Abaca’ makes you think he should be much shorter for the Supreme.

I'd say Albert Bartlett myself, but I think they thought he showed enough speed in his maiden and might be persuaded to stay shorter, so will depend on his next couple of starts.

 

[JackieMoon33]

Do we think Midnight Run will go Supreme or Ballymore??

His bumper form through Colvreey to Abaca’ makes you think he should be much shorter for the Supreme.

Bartlett or Ballymore in my eyes. Although his brother wants 3 miles, Midnight Run could well have a bit more pace and be better suited to the Ballymore this season.

 

[Scooby91]

Do we think Midnight Run will go Supreme or Ballymore??






His bumper form through Colvreey to Abaca’ makes you think he should be much shorter for the Supreme.

In short I'd have thought ballymore if hes good enough.


But to digress...

Colreevy jumped carefully, and was very much a seasonal opener, she was disappointing tbh, but wouldnt have been revved up in any way. So I think it's financially dangerous to take that at all literally as great form.

I dont get the albert Bartlett talk at all for midnight run personally, rightly or wrongly, I wouldnt take any notice of breeding / siblings what so ever, and would deal simply on the eye. IF he's good enough, I'd have thought the ballymore would be the one.

With abacadabras (nice horse) almost certainly imo wanting the minimum trip, the other nice one embittered (who I personally think is better than midnight run) looking like he wants 2M FOR NOW but could be A If not THE ballymore horse. And fury road who has enough pace for 2 1/2 but is seemingly seen as most suitable for going out in trip to the albert bartlett

 

[Quevega]

In short I'd have thought ballymore if hes good enough.


But to digress...

Colreevy jumped carefully, and was very much a seasonal opener, she was disappointing tbh, but wouldnt have been revved up in any way. So I think it's financially dangerous to take that at all literally as great form.

I dont get the albert Bartlett talk at all for midnight run personally, rightly or wrongly, I wouldnt take any notice of breeding / siblings what so ever, and would deal simply on the eye. IF he's good enough, I'd have thought the ballymore would be the one.

With abacadabras (nice horse) almost certainly imo wanting the minimum trip, the other nice one embittered (who I personally think is better than midnight run) looking like he wants 2 FOR NOW but could be A If not THE ballymore horse. And fury road who has enough pace for 2 1/2 but is seemingly seen as most suitable for going out in trip to the albert bartlett

I'd say wrongly.

 

[Scooby91]

I'd say wrongly.

That's debatable, and a long, boring one at that.
Roaring lion / yorkhill prime contrasting examples.

The eye is always the best tool imo.

 

[Quevega]

That's debatable, and a long, boring one at that.
Roaring lion / yorkhill prime contrasting examples.

The eye is always the best tool imo.

I agree in part.
But not in maiden's, as your eye can be deceived a little easier, due to the disparity in ability and fitness of opponents.

If a horse that's bred to stay can show sufficient speed to win a competitive grade 1 or 2 then fair enough, but even still, they're likely to be seen to better effect when stepped up. Goes back years don't it.

But I do agree that when we get a really, really talented one, the trip can be incidental.

But for this race we're talking about maiden winners mainly at the moment.

 

[Quevega]

And gigginstown purchases won't be winning a supreme anytime soon

 

[SeanRock]

Long way to go till mid March, we’ll have a much better idea at the end of January of what will suit most. I’m sticking with the AB anyway. But happy to let the racing do the talking.

 

[Craigy14]

Not much has put a marker down for the supreme as yet, but as you say Sean a long time to go though. Abacadabras looked good fto and will be interesting to see how Sunday goes for both him and Envoi (who will surely still go Ballymore).

I only have Envoi (purely knowing he would shorten), Fly Smart at 33’s and 25’s and a freebie on Jon Snow which may be best in the bin covered so far.

What do we see coming from Henderson and Nicholls?

Shiskin possibly? Chantry I’ve thought would want further, will know more of him after the weekend with any luck. Not sure what ammunition Nicholls has to aim at this.

 

[Pendil]

Midnight Run 10/1 Hills vs 9/2 Lads. Agree with Sean tho better to wait for Navan

 

[TheEagleHasLanded]

Just watched upping the anti..... now they’ve either lied about the 20/1 for Unexcepted or Gavin Lynch cooing over him has caused his price to crash

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Just watched upping the anti..... now they’ve either lied about the 20/1 for Unexcepted or Gavin Lynch cooing over him has caused his price to crash

It's the latter. Definitely 20's, and was just coming on here to ask why the money has come for him, but that explains it, as haven't watched today's Upping The Ante yet.

 

[TheEagleHasLanded]

It's the latter. Definitely 20's, and was just coming on here to ask why the money has come for him, but that explains it, as haven't watched today's Upping The Ante yet.

Sorry for the spoilers CoD just 20s becoming 11s in 3 hours in November is crazy

 

[Hurricane fly]

Envoi allen 8/13
Abacadabras 5/2
Embittered 4/1
Midnight run 10/1
Foveros 20/1
Soviet pimpernel 20/1
33s bar

1/4 2 places.


Would be how I see it,
People would back Soviet pimpernel, so would be very foolish to lay that price, but it's his true price imo with 2 places.

Soviet Pimpernel is 20/1 for the Supreme so a lot would back him

I think I’m the only one who’s supported him in this thread but I’m not sure if I’d back him for this

 

[Kevloaf]

Just watched upping the anti..... now they’ve either lied about the 20/1 for Unexcepted or Gavin Lynch cooing over him has caused his price to crash

It's the latter. Definitely 20's, and was just coming on here to ask why the money has come for him, but that explains it, as haven't watched today's Upping The Ante yet.

Gavin Lynch can NOT be moving markets surely with a youtuube video with 1.5k views?!


I'd put myself odds on to have a better ante post (and therefore festival) than him and that entire show. I haven't watched it yet this year but I'll beat him.

 

[TheEagleHasLanded]

Gavin Lynch can NOT be moving markets surely with a youtuube video with 1.5k views?!


I'd put myself odds on to have a better ante post (and therefore festival) than him and that entire show. I haven't watched it yet this year but I'll beat him.

That’s why I’m suggesting they may have been fibbing when they put the price up at 20s.... or maybe Gavin Lynch has had stupid money on it :highly_amused:

 

[Ballybeen]

Unexcepted was definitely still 20’s on 365 yesterday as I remember checking.

 

[Hurricane fly]

I have unexcepted at 20/1 on 365