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Supreme Novices 2018

Hi folks... been reading for a while and thought I’d add to the excellent debate. Getabird’s time today seemed to be 30+ secs slower than Vautour, Douvan & Min when they won the Moscow Flyer on similar ground. I doubt he’ll be quick enough on spring ground to beat the likes of ITCF and the Hendo beast?

Did not know that, that is quite worrying...
 
“If he turns out to be a reasonably good chaser in time, great, but he’s not the next coming of Jesus Christ.”

“He’d have to go to Cheltenham and actually win a race there, and the rest of it is just to delude ante-post punters betting at this time of the year"

“He is not as good as the hype would make out, he will never be as good as the hype will make out.


You can see what Michael oleary thinks of your judgement there kev :highly_amused:

I 100% agree with all but the 1st line.

These are quotes about Samcro or Menghli?
 
Got to be a worry on breeding also that Getabird could get outpaced in the Supreme on good spring ground. If the cap fits would just about be my selection I think if looking at the race afresh today
 
Got to be a worry on breeding also that Getabird could get outpaced in the Supreme on good spring ground. If the cap fits would just about be my selection I think if looking at the race afresh today

I wouldn't see that on breeding personally
his ptp trainer said he wanted good ground and being by Getaway it should be fine for him.
 
26th Jan 17 Gowran Park 11/10Fav*11-12*Mr P W Mullins*Getabird (IRE)*6, b g 11-2*(Mrs S Ricci)*
(4:05.0 9.57 secs faster*on today's going soft to heavy.

Fastest time of the day by some way.



Douvan (FR)*5, b g 11-0*(Mrs S Ricci)*
(4:04.5*10.07 secs faster*on today's going*)*
Walk In The Park (IRE)*- Star Face (FR)(Saint Des Saints (FR))*

You can't go by different years anyway. But 30 seconds your right I would have been worried.
 
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I wouldn't see that on breeding personally
his ptp trainer said he wanted good ground and being by Getaway it should be fine for him.

Have always thought of Getaway’s as being mudlovers, maybe something I need to revisit though
 
26th Jan 17 Gowran Park 11/10Fav*11-12*Mr P W Mullins*Getabird (IRE)*6, b g 11-2*(Mrs S Ricci)*
(4:05.0 9.57 secs faster*on today's going soft to heavy.

Fastest time of the day by some way.



Douvan (FR)*5, b g 11-0*(Mrs S Ricci)*
(4:04.5*10.07 secs faster*on today's going*)*
Walk In The Park (IRE)*- Star Face (FR)(Saint Des Saints (FR))*

You can't go by different years anyway. But 30 seconds your right I would have been worried.

Thats the wrong race? He's comparing Getabirds time in the Moscow flyer to the others when winning the same race
 
@Scooby91 I only saw you said not to compare different yeras now, Understand your logic now
 
Thats the wrong race? He's comparing Getabirds time in the Moscow flyer to the others when winning the same race

Getabird Moscow flyer 4:05.0
Douvan Moscow flyer 4:04.5

0.5 seconds. If your taking it literally.
 
I wouldn't use SoySports Greasy. ATR, Racingpost or Sportinglife will be more reliable.

Like Scooby said, 30 seconds wouldn't be possible.
 
Ok thanks all, good to know for future reference.

I use irishracing site for almost everything personally as you've got the trainers/ jockeys quotes along side all the form etc....
 
I'm not unduly worried about the ground as it was pretty good when he won his Bumper at Fairyhouse and he looked exceptional that day. The form may have not been that solid, but it was his debut to be fair to the horse... and he seemed to glide over the ground.

Always remember the Mullins quote after the race, saying that Patrick couldn't believe how quickly he picked up, so much so that he had to sit back down on him as it had been that instant.

That's when I started piling in for the Bumper :sorrow: