Supreme Novices 2018

[SAMCRO]

How many Kennel Gate winners have gone on to win the supreme?

 

[Scooby91]

How many Kennel Gate winners have gone on to win the supreme?

Makes no difference what so ever. Each horse is an individual case, running to his own individual merit. What race they go for makes no difference to the ammount of ability they possess surely. The forms there and clear to see they are up in the highest levels of the English novice form.
Henderson has already said his best 2m novices are claimantakinforgan followed by diesse des bieffes. Both were entered here.

 

[Robbante]

Have been offline for some time as forgot my login/had email issues, created a new profile now. Am really hoping Claimantakinforgan wins today. Really strong traveller and even in a fast paced Supreme I think he’ll be tanking turning in. Where he might be vulnerable is I’m not sure how much he finds off the bridle, doesn’t seem to have a lightning turn of foot. I’d fancy him to win today as long as he’s played as late as possible - need Nico to cruise alongside then only push the button well into the final furlong. Think most of his opposition will go up in trip after today so I’d be surprised if something outpaces him

 

[SAMCRO]

Makes no difference what so ever. Each horse is an individual case, running to his own individual merit. What race they go for makes no difference to the ammount of ability they possess surely. The forms there and clear to see they are up in the highest levels of the English novice form.
Henderson has already said his best 2m novices are claimantakinforgan followed by diesse des bieffes. Both were entered here.

Of course but you saying you want the winner and have three at treble figures is all being well but there's a reason they are treble figures.

From that group can only see Hendersons as a supreme winner but i think he will need further and get outpaced.

 

[robith]

I was at Ascot when Mr One More won last time, and I was very taken by how he got up to win having blundered the second last. Hurdling probably isn't good enough, but I do love a C&D winner so I can't ignore 13/2

 

[Scooby91]

Of course but you saying you want the winner and have three at treble figures is all being well but there's a reason they are treble figures.

From that group can only see Hendersons as a supreme winner but i think he will need further and get outpaced.

Personally think Mr One more is very good his from has worked out well and he's still won whilst jumping poorly if he improves his jumping to match his engine he would be a force in the ballymore for me. But still a chance in supreme.

Theclockisticking looked imperious in his 2 wins so far from the front looking forward to seeing ehat he can do today.

Claimantakinforgan that's the 3 horse I have at 3 figures who run in this race today

Mengli khan and real steel I have well covered at 3 figures and I give them very good chances in there race at Christmas and the suoreme.


Plenty of other people will have the likes of on the blind side at 3 figures for the ballymore. ... And annie power at 980.0 when faugheen was ruled out
Labaik I diddnt have personally but he was 999.0 last year and won the supreme.

If had plenty of winners of 3 figures in past years. Plans change all the time. Very often the reason they are 3 figures can change very quickly with just a single entry. Ie antey entered uo now, and kilultagh vic entered over hurdles foe 2 races. Dosent stop them at a later date.


For example mite bite is 3 figures for the Ryanair. Dosent mean he can't win.
Henderson said if he wins the king george he will go the gold cup. Hes not a certainty to ein an extremely competative race and plans change.

 

[SAMCRO]

Personally think Mr One more is very good his from has worked out well and he's still won whilst jumping poorly if he improves his jumping to match his engine he would be a force in the ballymore for me. But still a chance in supreme.

Theclockisticking looked imperious in his 2 wins so far from the front looking forward to seeing ehat he can do today.

Claimantakinforgan that's the 3 horse I have at 3 figures who run in this race today

Mengli khan and real steel I have well covered at 3 figures and I give them very good chances in there race at Christmas and the suoreme.


Plenty of other people will have the likes of on the blind side at 3 figures for the ballymore. ... And annie power at 980.0 when faugheen was ruled out
Labaik I diddnt have personally but he was 999.0 last year and won the supreme.

If had plenty of winners of 3 figures in past years. Plans change all the time. Very often the reason they are 3 figures can change very quickly with just a single entry. Ie antey entered uo now, and kilultagh vic entered over hurdles foe 2 races. Dosent stop them at a later date.


For example mite bite is 3 figures for the Ryanair. Dosent mean he can't win.
Henderson said if he wins the king george he will go the gold cup. Hes not a certainty to ein an extremely competative race and plans change.

Not knocking your book, just saying we're acting like the winner of the supreme will come from this race when its very unlikely. Yes from a trading perspective the winner will go short but we all know the bookies dont need an excuse to cut a horse drastically. A good race it is though and of course i could well be wrong.

I see Epicuris has a few entries

 

[Scooby91]

Just managed to lay off a big sum on claimantakinforgan at 20.0 and back on sportsbook at 25/1. That s more than covered the other 2 I covered that run in opposition today.

 

[Innoko]

Just managed to lay off a big sum on claimantakinforgan at 20.0 and back on sportsbook at 25/1. That s more than covered the other 2 I covered that run in opposition today.

Noticed they were a standout 25-1..... I found the £8 max stake a bit insulting when I tried however!

 

[Scooby91]

Claimantakinforgan did it well there and the support on the exchanges was justified. He will have his chance in the supreme

 

[Robbante]

Nicely enough done. I wonder if Tizzard campaigns his horses too aggressively... Slate House emptied then almost as quickly as Finians did last time out. He’s got a lot to prove in my eyes over the second half of this season

 

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

Just managed to lay off a big sum on claimantakinforgan at 20.0 and back on sportsbook at 25/1. That s more than covered the other 2 I covered that run in opposition today.

Thanks for flagging Scoobs, 25s was enough for me to get involved for the first time, they cut to 14s before the race

 

[Scooby91]

Thanks for flagging Scoobs, 25s was enough for me to get involved for the first time, they cut to 14s before the race

Must have took a bit on it as straight in to 8s. He deffinately warrants his place in the supreme anyway. And henderson knows what it takes to win it.

 

[Innoko]

Did the job well enough.

His jumping particularly impressive I thought.

 

[Innoko]

Henderson said: "We are on the right road and going the right way. Him and Altior have got one similarity and that is the grey in the top of their tails.

"I'm pleased as that is not his ground and he has got gears and he is a two-mile horse.

"We will be looking down the Supreme road. He has got some scope. He has got a very good head on him and he is a very good jumper. He has got a good racing brain on him.

"He was a baby last year and that is why we left him down the bumper division. He was a point-to-pointer and you could have gone hurdling with him but I said to the owners 'this horse wants minding'.

"His hurdling was very slick all the way and he was racing nicely all the way.

"The Dovecote (Kempton, February 24) is probably a good place for him. I don't think he needs to do to much more as he is very sharp and quick."

 

[billymag]

Antey entered up on 26th and 28th he is a Ricci Mullins horse, taken 40/1 a few weeks ago 33/1 still available.

 

[Kevloaf]

Must have took a bit on it as straight in to 8s. He deffinately warrants his place in the supreme anyway. And henderson knows what it takes to win it.

Hows how to get one placed at very least :highly_amused: Only just getting to watch the race now... I think the commentator is a little critical when he says he was workmanlike? Was last off the bridle and pulled away easily enough.,... Nico isn't one for a flashy performance, he always pushes everything out anyway.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

I hugely respect NJH’s record in the race, but personally I wasn’t that impressed today. I’d be surprised if he could win a Supreme.

 

[Robbante]

I hugely respect NJH’s record in the race, but personally I wasn’t that impressed today. I’d be surprised if he could win a Supreme.

Strangely given that he’d be my biggest winner, I also doubt whether he’s got enough to win. He will no doubt be there or thereabouts, so I’m happy that he’s got a decent chance, but just think he’ll get done for toe by something. I still like Sharjah, hopefully the ground won’t be bottomless again on Wednesday and we can see where he stands with the favourite

 

[Vautour]

Strangely given that he’d be my biggest winner, I also doubt whether he’s got enough to win. He will no doubt be there or thereabouts, so I’m happy that he’s got a decent chance, but just think he’ll get done for toe by something. I still like Sharjah, hopefully the ground won’t be bottomless again on Wednesday and we can see where he stands with the favourite

Likewise I have him at a decent price but can't see him winning a Supreme. Travelled nicely but really needed to pick up off the last to look like an elite horse. More a Charley Hoffman than a Jordan Spieth.