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I still don't really understand what a stores horse is so if anyone could explain it'd be genuinely appreciated! In my head its just horses that have been bought, unnamed but kept in training and just sort of in limbo til they decide what to do with them.

I’ve always wondered that too Jorvik, I always thought they were foals that owners or trainers didn’t want once born and given up for sale at a cheaper price. I’ve never really understood the term store horse??
 
1. Many horses sold at the big 3yo store sales in Ireland are bought by those who specialise in getting them to the track as a 4yo and selling them on for profit. The Doyles (Monbeg) and Colin Bowe are leaders in this field. They run them in PtPs because it's less competitive and, I think in the case of the Doyles, they don't have a licence to train under rules. These guys are specifically looking for 3yos that will run as 4yos and can go on to run under rules at 4 or 5. Most rules trainers will prefer to start from scratch and will ignore the PtP runs, often preferring a bumper run to start from the proverbial clean sheet.

2. As stated, the only official rating is OR. All ratings are subjective and many professionals have their own set of ratings rather than rely on others' opinions. RPR and Timeform are usually only rolled out when they agree with the view of the poster. At the end of the (NH) season, the UK and Irish handicappers get together and agree a shared mark for horses over a certain rating (150?).

3. By and large, hurdles and chasing ORs are entirely separate. Sometimes a horse has run in a handicap chase before it has had sufficient runs over fences to earn a chase mark although I believe that this is at the discretion of the handicapper. When this is allowed, the hurdles mark is usually used unless there is compelling evidence to suggest otherwise. As time moves on, a chaser can increase his mark over fences but his hurdles mark may stay the same. As long as the period of time isn't excessive, it's quite possible that a 145 chaser can revert to hurdles off 125 if that was his last hurdles mark. I'm fairly sure that the UK and Irish handicappers have a different qualification period for this and it caused some consternation on here last Cheltenham. The Storyteller?

Thanks Archie.
 
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Why are the top races on the flat called Group 1,2 and 3s but over jumps there called Grade 1,2 and 3s?
 
Why is 'Good' ground not suitable for all horses ?
Why is it called Good ground in that case ?

Why not call it

Firm - Yielding - Soft - Heavy

And fuck the Good off.:smiley_simmons:
 
Why does Rich Ricci hibernate for 11 months of the year? Anyone know?

One can dodge angry BetBright customers easily, as one can dodge disgruntled Barclays investors, but dodging both at the same time is a tough ask for a lad his age
 
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I've never totally understood what the difference between the two courses is and what causes it?
 
What is with the Suffix on some horses ie Sully Doc AA and Manitopark AA?
 
What is with the Suffix on some horses ie Sully Doc AA and Manitopark AA?

Think that's something to do with them being Arabian bred.

The letters AA after a racehorse's name stand for Anglo-Arabian - a separate breed to thoroughbreds which is the result of various crosses between thoroughbreds, Arabian and Anglo-Arabian horses.
 
Think that's something to do with them being Arabian bred.

The letters AA after a racehorse's name stand for Anglo-Arabian - a separate breed to thoroughbreds which is the result of various crosses between thoroughbreds, Arabian and Anglo-Arabian horses.

Thanks Q, always wondered about that one.
 
I'll post this here, because most of my questions fall into this category. From my very limited knowledge of exchange betting, is something up with ferny hollow. Just been looking at betfair exchange. Is this something to be concerned about for ferny fans?
 
re the difference between Chase and Hurdles ratings

In Great Britain, there are 888 horses with official ratings over both disciplines. The median marks for both types is 107, while the mean hurdle rating is 106.22 and the mean chase rating is 107.24 making chasers on average 1.016 pounds higher. Of this 888, 206 have a higher chase mark, 99 have a higher hurdle mark, and 583 are equal.

In Ireland, there are 439 such horses. The marks are 106 for hurdlers, 111 for chasers median, 107.11 hurdlers, 111.56 chasers mean with the difference being 4 pounds and 4.45 pounds respectively. In contrast to Great Britain, those who have equal marks make up a minority of just 33. 297 have a higher chase mark, 109 a higher hurdles mark.
 
If a horses is pulling extremely hard, would it be more beneficial to allow that horse to expend its energy by moving forward quicker than desired, rather than waste energy fighting the jockey without making any ground?
 
If a horses is pulling extremely hard, would it be more beneficial to allow that horse to expend its energy by moving forward quicker than desired, rather than waste energy fighting the jockey without making any ground?

I'm no scientist but I'd always rather a horse go hard and potentially be caught than held up and run out of steam closing.
 
If a horses is pulling extremely hard, would it be more beneficial to allow that horse to expend its energy by moving forward quicker than desired, rather than waste energy fighting the jockey without making any ground?

I saw Barry G talking about that the other day, he said if you let them do that they will never learn to settle and just go hard at it every race. Makes sense I guess
 
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I saw Barry G talking about that the other day, he said if you let them do that they will never learn to settle and just go hard at it every race. Makes sense I guess

That could feasibly count as "schooling in public", although I suppose it's difficult to replicate the raceday experience at home.
 
That could feasibly count as "schooling in public", although I suppose it's difficult to replicate the raceday experience at home.

He pretty much said that actually, they all do it i suppose.
 
What 2 courses robith ?
Cheltenham New/Old, hurdles/chase ?

New/old ista. Like I understand one requires more stamina but have never fully gotten why? Like, they're next to each other