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Stayers Hurdle 2019

Stayers Hurdle 2019

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ComplyOrDie said:
Yeah Top Notch will just be a cobweb blower I suspect. Call Me Lord will likely be number 1 for the Stayers' this season.
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Deffinately not call me Lord won't go left handed.
He deffo won't go to the stayers.
 
Scooby91 said:
Deffinately not call me Lord won't go left handed.
He deffo won't go to the stayers.
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Really? Assume an owner or trainer has said this?

Better chance than the traveller L'ami Serge.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Really? Assume an owner or trainer has said this?

Better chance than the traveller L'ami Serge.
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Owner and trainer. It's not just a preference he literally dosent go left handed. There's Aintree and punchestown.

Lami serge is out for the season.
 
Scooby91 said:
Owner and trainer. It's not just a preference he literally dosent go left handed. There's Aintree and punchestown.

Lami serge is out for the season.
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Cheers, not one I hacked myself but good to know :)
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Cheers, not one I hacked myself but good to know :)
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Just found this.

Call me lord.

"we are limited with him as he can only go right-handed. He is a bit like Josses Hill but even worse and if he went the other way he would end up in the Car Park. We moved him up to two miles and five and a half at Sandown on the last day and that told us quite a bit – all of a sudden he stayed. That opens up a lot of windows and we can look at different things"
 
On CML, Hendo has mentioned he wants to try him the other way round just in case....

Nothings changed, Paisley Park wins.
 
Scooby91 said:
Just found this.

Call me lord.

"we are limited with him as he can only go right-handed. He is a bit like Josses Hill but even worse and if he went the other way he would end up in the Car Park. We moved him up to two miles and five and a half at Sandown on the last day and that told us quite a bit – all of a sudden he stayed. That opens up a lot of windows and we can look at different things"
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End up in the car park?? Love that.
 
Personally on the whole left right hand argument, whilst I accept that very rarely a horse can get in the habit of jumping or veering to one side or the other, which can be a disadvantage if the general direction of the course is opposite.

But I don;t think I've ever seen a horse refuse to go one way or the other, so the excuse that a horse performs worse going one way or the other seems bizaare to me unless it's the jumping thing.

Or are we saying a horse underperforms just because he's pissed off he's going clockwise.

And If a horse hangs or jumps wildly one way or the other then there's probably something wrong as well, mentally or physically.

I'm a great believer in the fact the horses are actually going straight most of the time, it's not like there's chicanes. Most tracks have very gradual turns and even the sharpest bends tend to be at least a furlong long.
 
archie said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laterality

I had a share in a horse who just couldn't go as well right-handed. He didn't refuse to but he was just not comfortable leading with that stride pattern.
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I've looked into this before and there's no scientific evidence that a horse has to or indeed chooses to use a different stride pattern wether going left or right handed, most will naturally do this when turning as they physically have to on some bends. I would expect that to be more obvious though if that was the problem.

Most trainers use the left right thing due to jumping quirks or hanging.
Other than that I accept that fatigue and injury plays a part and it could be brain/mental thing, but that's impossible to know for sure.

I do accept it could be a thing, don't get me wrong, but IMO it's often used as an excuse when there's insufficient evidence to support the facts.
 
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I'd agree that it's occasionally used just as an excuse but I think you have to look at each individual case. Willie works his horses left-handed and right-handed on alternate days so at least knows that they handle bends on the flat. Schooling should give a clue for the jumping but, with some horses (eg Yorkhill) it only comes to light in races.

Leading with either leg is key in dressage and there are certainly some yards that include dressage as part of the breaking in process but if you get a horse that is already mature it can be a problem.
 
Saturday’s race is likely to cut up and I fully expect Call Me Lord to go off pretty short. I’ve gone in big at 3s. Should he win well, is not 20s with cash out a little too big for a this? There’s no strength in depth to this market and I find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t give a young horse the opportunity to go left again?
 
The Irish contingent won't run MS, but i wouldn't have thought Call Me Lord will scare off many of the English entries.....
 
Morley Street said:
Take out the Irish & ITCF Jack and I don’t see anything to beat him.
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The first 7 in the betting are likely to turn up in the Long Walk? Willing to be corrected on that!

I was looking through the Long Walk in the hope of coming out with a bet but prices pretty fair at the moment IMO. 3/1 will be decent on the day though. 25/1 about Lil Rockerfeller would be tempting. Id certainly be tempted if I was an owner! Assuming the top 7 go, how many do we think line up on Saturday?

Havent been going through these forums so not sure if Sam Spinner has been mentioned often. But I am willing to forgive him this season...

Assuming he'll come on from his last run. Just the way Jedd O'Keefe mentioned trying to keep the weight on him as long as he can this season in the hope it would help in "seeing his season out". Spring last season must have been disappointing for them. I cant actually justify a bet yet, 8/1 out there but I can only get 7/1 myself. I'm hoping the market will be less forgiving and we see a bit of 10/1 later in the week. Then, taking the 33/1 with 365 for the Stayers would be the logical next step....:D
 
Morley Street said:
Take out the Irish & ITCF Jack and I don’t see anything to beat him.
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He might well win, but i doubt he'll scare off runners and make it a very small field like top 3miler would have.

He's very much there to be taken on as he's relatively unproven yet.

Paisley Park for me!
 
jack1092 said:
He might well win, but i doubt he'll scare off runners and make it a very small field like top 3miler would have.

He's very much there to be taken on as he's relatively unproven yet.

Paisley Park for me!
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There’s more than one way for a race to cut up Jack... being scared of the opposition was not what I meant. The ground could become pretty testing come Saturday if the forecast is right and whilst CML still has to prove he stays 3 miles, he’ll be more at home in soft/ heavy than most, PP included.
 
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