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Shergar Cup

The King Pimm

The King Pimm

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I’m off to Ascot tomorrow to watch the Shergar Cup Races. Any one else showing an interest and having a bet?
 
I’ll definitely be having a bet.
Had a look through card yesterday and picked out the Gallagher horse who’s reserve in the sprint and the channon horse in the 2 miler
Then I started getting nervous about jockeys and weather and backed off a bit
I’ll be looking again this afternoon.
Thought romanised at 11/4 in deauville was big enough for Sunday’s group one also
 
Green power & billy Ray
 
I think that the meeting is a plastic abomination but it's interesting to see the varying styles of overseas jockeys.

From a betting point of view, it's worth bearing in mind that last year just one joint favourite won and one joint favourite placed. In 2017, one joint won and one placed (same race) and two outright favourites placed. 2016, one winning favourite and two placed. Small stakes only I'd have thought. Have a good day.
 
Just googled plastic abomination and it came up with
The scarlet witch figurine and some stuff for dungeons and dragons and that.
But I get what you mean Archie.
I was going to go with the angle that tudhope is the best jockey by a few pounds but I’m not sure as I can’t weigh up some of the others
 
When we booked tickets for tomorrow’s racing at Ascot we didn’t realise it was Shergar Cup format. I’m not a fan but hoping to be won over tomorrow. My concern is that the horses may not have been targeted at these races and the jockeys may get very limited time to ride on them beforehand. That said I know the prize money has been increased this year which should hopefully improve the competition and there will hopefully be 10 horses per race as they have 2 reserves so we may as punters have decent value and places available. The cynic in me makes we worry that some of the races may be a PR stunt and the women will do well with the big drive for female equality and opportunity in top level racing but I’m sure that’s me just be cynical.

I appreciate the stats from about the Fav’s performances Archie, it’s duly noted. From memory Andrew Baldings horses performed well last year along with Hayley Turner and Gerald Mossee. Balding is well represented again this year. At this stage I fancy most of Baldings horses especially Stone of Destiny and Hero Hero. Other horses I will be backing are Via Serendipity, Pass The Vino and Time To Study.
 
When we booked tickets for tomorrow’s racing at Ascot we didn’t realise it was Shergar Cup format. I’m not a fan but hoping to be won over tomorrow. My concern is that the horses may not have been targeted at these races and the jockeys may get very limited time to ride on them beforehand. That said I know the prize money has been increased this year which should hopefully improve the competition and there will hopefully be 10 horses per race as they have 2 reserves so we may as punters have decent value and places available. The cynic in me makes we worry that some of the races may be a PR stunt and the women will do well with the big drive for female equality and opportunity in top level racing but I’m sure that’s me just be cynical.

I appreciate the stats from about the Fav’s performances Archie, it’s duly noted. From memory Andrew Baldings horses performed well last year along with Hayley Turner and Gerald Mossee. Balding is well represented again this year. At this stage I fancy most of Baldings horses especially Stone of Destiny and Hero Hero. Other horses I will be backing are Via Serendipity, Pass The Vino and Time To Study.
 
I'd imagine the lack of favourite successes is largely down to the races all being handicaps, and the Jockey factor must play it's part.

I'd like to think there's no dodginess involved myself, although you may have an interesting angle with the trainer's targeting.

I'm sure some of the trainers will support this event and enjoy it more than others.
 
Horrific meeting from a punting perspective, I get why they want to do it but I'm surprised so many owners support the event, imagine some idiot foreigner who fancies the idea of winning by half the length of the straight, johnny owner gets saddled with a weight rise that'll stop the horse for a year.
Some decent betting heats at Newmarket and Haydock to focus on...
 
Istabraq said:
Horrific meeting from a punting perspective, I get why they want to do it but I'm surprised so many owners support the event, imagine some idiot foreigner who fancies the idea of winning by half the length of the straight, johnny owner gets saddled with a weight rise that'll stop the horse for a year.
Some decent betting heats at Newmarket and Haydock to focus on...
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Bit racist
 
quevega said:
Bit racist
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Absolutely not.
I’m trying to reference someone who hasn’t raced in this country and gets carried away by the venue/occasion, as amateurs often do at Cheltenham.
The fact you (or anyone) believe there are any racist connotations in my post is disappointing
 
Would that happen to a horses weight or would the handicapper take into consideration the unique circumstances of the meeting?

Credit to Skybet, they are offering 4 places at 1/5 on every race which is pretty good value considering every race has 10 runners.
 
The King Pimm said:
Would that happen to a horses weight or would the handicapper take into consideration the unique circumstances of the meeting?
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You’d like to think so but as a handicap, run under the rules of UK racing, handicapping/ratings will be consistent with all other races
 
With the winner getting 30k for each race tomorrow I can’t imagine many owners or trainers worrying too much about the winning distance as they are all Class 2 and 3 races so decent prize money on offer.
 
Most of the better horses are rated around the 100 mark which gets them in every big handicap where prize money is £100k+.
I agree the winners purse tomorrow isn’t insignificant but most handicap wins mean a new rating that stops the horse for a few runs, any 8-10lb rise will hurt...
 
Istabraq said:
Absolutely not.
I’m trying to reference someone who hasn’t raced in this country and gets carried away by the venue/occasion, as amateurs often do at Cheltenham.
The fact you (or anyone) believe there are any racist connotations in my post is disappointing
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I was joking. Watch the Office.

However, I would add that you did use the term 'some idiot foreigner' rather than 'a jockey from overseas who hasn't had the experience of riding in the UK or at Ascot previously'.

And I'm pretty sure even overseas jockeys understand what a handicap race is. The handicap system is not exclusive to the UK.

And by implication you suggest that British based jockeys aren't always running a horse on it's merits.

And also by implication, that the UK handicapper is also an idiot.

Other than that, it was a perfectly reasonable comment.
:devilish:

ps.
Your response doesn't improve things either as your now suggesting that overseas jockey's are unprofessional (amateur like).
I'm disappointed in myself all the time, so I wouldn't worry, it's natural.

pps.
I am mainly joking with this response, with just a touch of admonishment. I would expect nothing less if I made similar fraudulent errors.
 
quevega said:
I was joking. Watch the Office.

However, I would add that you did use the term 'some idiot foreigner' rather than 'a jockey from overseas who hasn't had the experience of riding in the UK or at Ascot previously'.

And I'm pretty sure even overseas jockeys understand what a handicap race is. The handicap system is not exclusive to the UK.

And by implication you suggest that British based jockeys aren't always running a horse on it's merits.

And also by implication, that the UK handicapper is also an idiot.

Other than that, it was a perfectly reasonable comment.
:devilish:

ps.
Your response doesn't improve things either as your now suggesting that overseas jockey's are unprofessional (amateur like).
I'm disappointed in myself all the time, so I wouldn't worry, it's natural.

pps.
I am mainly joking with this response, with just a touch of admonishment. I would expect nothing less if I made similar fraudulent errors.
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Like mistaking Fraudulent with Freudian. :highly_amused:
 
Is there a worse Saturday of racing than the annual shergar Cup day? Terrible stuff.

The only bet I’ll have tomorrow will be Addeybb if he’s odds against and it pours down at Haydock.

Otherwise.. I’ll be busy watching the ipswich win
 
Middle_Of_March said:
Is there a worse Saturday of racing than the annual shergar Cup day? Terrible stuff.

The only bet I’ll have tomorrow will be Addeybb if he’s odds against and it pours down at Haydock.

Otherwise.. I’ll be busy watching the ipswich win
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Fortunately covered up by the return on the Premier League season... which is probably why they don't try too hard this weekend?

No matter what they did, football will win - which is probably why they invented the Shergar Cup? Just a 'bet-to-nothing' for them to try something new.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
Is there a worse Saturday of racing than the annual shergar Cup day? Terrible stuff.

The only bet I’ll have tomorrow will be Addeybb if he’s odds against and it pours down at Haydock.

Otherwise.. I’ll be busy watching the ipswich win
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I can't think of a worse weekend. Absolutely no interest in getting involved in the Shergar Cup.

Only football bets for me today
 
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