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….following the Nicholls stable tour, I’m having an e/w NRNB double on two of his. I’m sure the odds will be bigger with the AP risk;

Ginnys 16-1 Plate
Shearer 16-1 Hunters

288-1 NRNB Hills.
 
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Money (or blue) for Irancy for the Supreme
with Will The Wise in the Pertemps

183/1 NRNB with Betway who are standout 25/1 about Irancy
 
I was toying with a forgotten winners lucky (State Man, Protektorat, Captain Guinness etc)
 
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One I've done is the related form double of Billytherealbigred today with Jagwar for the Jack Richards. Price has been cut a bit now but you can still get around 25-1.
 
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As Grok 3, I can craft a speculative Ben Pauling Yankee for the 2025 Cheltenham Festival based on trends from his past performances and current stable form, while adhering to the information available up to March 1, 2025. A "Yankee" bet involves four selections across different races, combining into 11 bets (six doubles, four trebles, and one fourfold accumulator). Ben Pauling, a trainer with a proven track record at Cheltenham, has historically excelled in handicaps and novice events, so I’ll focus on horses from his yard that align with these strengths. Here’s my best attempt, grounded in his past trends and current prospects:

### Selection 1: Pic Roc - Ultima Handicap Chase (Day 1)
- **Reasoning**: Pauling has a knack for targeting Cheltenham handicaps, with wins like Shakem Up’arry in the 2024 TrustATrader Plate and Global Citizen in the 2022 Grand Annual. Pic Roc, despite not winning over fences yet this season, has shown promise with strong placed efforts. Pauling recently highlighted him as a potential "nap of the week" for a big run, suggesting confidence in his improvement. The Ultima suits his profile as a progressive chaser, and Pauling’s history of preparing horses for these races makes this a solid pick.
- **Trend**: Pauling’s handicap chase success (e.g., Le Breuil in the 2019 National Hunt Chase) shows he can get horses peaking for Prestbury Park.

### Selection 2: Diva Luna - Ryanair Mares’ Novices’ Hurdle (Day 3)
- **Reasoning**: Diva Luna, a Grade 2 bumper winner last season, has transitioned to hurdles with a win and a narrow defeat this term. Pauling’s belief in her potential for the Mares’ Novices’ Hurdle, where he sees her as a contender despite not being favorite, fits his trend of targeting graded novice races (e.g., Willoughby Court in the 2017 Neptune). Her course form at Cheltenham adds to her appeal.
- **Trend**: Pauling’s graded novice hurdle winners (Willoughby Court) indicate he can strike in these competitive races with the right horse.

### Selection 3: Henry’s Friend - Ultima Handicap Chase (Day 1) or Pertemps Final (Day 3)
- **Reasoning**: Henry’s Friend impressed in the Mandarin Handicap Chase at Newbury, and Pauling leans toward the Ultima, though the Pertemps remains an option. His versatility and current form make him a strong candidate for a handicap. Pauling’s success with Le Breuil in a staying handicap chase suggests he could thrive here, especially with his knack for getting horses ready for big-field races.
- **Trend**: Pauling’s ability to place horses in stamina-sapping handicaps (e.g., Le Breuil) supports this selection.

### Selection 4: Mambonumberfive - Boodles Juvenile Handicap Hurdle (Day 1)
- **Reasoning**: Pauling has a strong hand in juvenile handicaps, as seen with Samuel Spade’s run in the 2023 Boodles. Mambonumberfive, a pricey French recruit, bounced back with a win at Kempton after a disappointing Cheltenham debut. Pauling’s high opinion of him and his education in big fields make this a plausible pick for the opener.
- **Trend**: Pauling’s competitive Boodles entries (Samuel Spade, Bad in 2023) show his focus on this race.

### Why This Yankee?
- **Balance**: Two handicap chases (Pic Roc, Henry’s Friend), a graded novice hurdle (Diva Luna), and a juvenile handicap (Mambonumberfive) reflect Pauling’s strengths across Cheltenham’s varied races.
- **Past Success**: His four Festival wins (Willoughby Court, Le Breuil, Global Citizen, Shakem Up’arry) span novices and handicaps, aligning with these selections.
- **Current Form**: Pauling’s 2024-25 season has been solid, and despite the loss of star The Jukebox Man, he’s optimistic about his small, select team.

### Caveats
- The Jukebox Man’s injury rules out a Grade 1 chase contender, shifting focus to handicaps and novices.
- Ground conditions, a key factor for Pauling (e.g., The Jukebox Man’s 2024 flexibility), could alter plans, but these horses have shown adaptability.
- Odds will vary, but expect these to range from 12/1 to 25/1, typical of Pauling’s Festival runners.

This Yankee is speculative, as final entries and conditions for the March 11-14, 2025, Festival aren’t set. However, it’s rooted in Pauling’s historical trends—targeting handicaps with improving horses and novices with graded potential—making it a plausible and exciting bet. Good luck if you give it a go!​
 
Absolute last person I'd expect would use AI.
Old Vic

I'll have to ask someone what you look like as I've always had a Gandalf like figure in my head.
 
…..as far as I can see Old Vic, Pic Roc doesn’t have an entry for Ultima. He’s saying he heads to JR unless the ground dries out, in which case it’s the NHC.
 
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I've backed Pauling horse in the pipe actually - not sure it runs but looks decent.

No Questions asked.
Won eased down the last day but left on 138.
Ladbrokes still 33's
 
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…..as far as I can see Old Vic, Pic Roc doesn’t have an entry for Ultima. He’s saying he heads to JR unless the ground dries out, in which case it’s the NHC.



yep - backed him for NHC.

trying to catch the jockey form also
 
Gordon said kala conti goes coral cup if bda goes mares nrnb double 35/1 boosted laddies

...and keeps Wodhooh in the Martin Pipe I reckon

385/1 - I might risk it
 
...and keeps Wodhooh in the Martin Pipe I reckon

385/1 - I might risk it

From what he said today it sounds like Wodhooh was never going anywhere but the Pipe which could be a hint that BDA will go Mares........or not:torn:
 
Fantastic news. What a race that CH is going to be. About time we had a decent line up. Mares opens right up now.

Golden Ace/BDA Related Double????

Not imo. Jade goes off 5/4 fav and wins handy, be far too good for the rest over that trip
 
Not imo. Jade goes off 5/4 fav and wins handy, be far too good for the rest over that trip

Far too good. Mmm will likely be run on the quickest ground she has encountered,on the sharper of the two tracks, with doubts in my mind over whether it will be a fast run race and with a few horses in the line up I feel could easily be a little quicker than her. On testing ground in a fast run race on a more galloping track I would agree with you…has to be some doubt whether she has enough boxes ticked to warrant being a short priced favourite…plus there also has to be at least some doubt whether she will be able to perform to her very best after a far from ideal build up.

I get more things wrong than I get right and this could well be another but if I don’t take her on with all the reasons why I don’t consider her value then I might as well pack up this game. :welcoming:
 
Far too good. Mmm will likely be run on the quickest ground she has encountered,on the sharper of the two tracks, with doubts in my mind over whether it will be a fast run race and with a few horses in the line up I feel could easily be a little quicker than her. On testing ground in a fast run race on a more galloping track I would agree with you…has to be some doubt whether she has enough boxes ticked to warrant being a short priced favourite…plus there also has to be at least some doubt whether she will be able to perform to her very best after a far from ideal build up.

I get more things wrong than I get right and this could well be another but if I don’t take her on with all the reasons why I don’t consider her value then I might as well pack up this game. :welcoming:

Race is on the 1st day, it’ll be watered if need be, will be plenty of juice in the ground. Would be a bit concerned if it was on the Friday after a dry week but it isn’t lol. It’s Willie Mullins taking the Quevega route and I thought she was brilliant on reappearance giving weight. I think she’s 1 of the best price favourites of the week tbh. I’m on at much bigger prices but whoever is laying her currently at nearly 3/1 on the exchange clearly has a lot more money than sense