Related Bets (ideas)

[Kevloaf]

Great idea - Will prob do

What tho if Energumene were to thump Shiskin? Pretty sure Nicky sticks with it whatever

Then the bet is dead in the water....

 

[Kevloaf]

I like the idea, Kev. Worth considering a deconstructed double as well? If Energumene is pumped by Shishkin, he might drift after the race for the Ryanair.

Yeah always worth considering.

I personally would see this as less likely... but definitely always worth considering.

 

[Lobos]

If Shishkin smashed Energumene and sends him down the Ryanair route and Chacun doesn't make the Fez due to his injury woes, does Mullins go empty handed in the Champion Chase??

 

[Kevloaf]

If Shishkin smashed Energumene and sends him down the Ryanair route and Chacun doesn't make the Fez due to his injury woes, does Mullins go empty handed in the Champion Chase??

Gone back 12 years

2010 - Golden Silver 33/1
2011 - Golden Silver 11/1
2012 - no runner
2013 - no runner
2014 - Arvika Ligeonniere 8/1
2015 - no runner
2016 - Un De Sceaux 4/6 and Felix Yonger 11/1
2017 - Douvan 2/9
2018 - Min 5/2 and Douvan 9/2
2019 - Min 7/2
2020 - no runner (CPS NR on the day)
2021 - CPS 8/13 and Cilaos Emery 12/1


To sum up.
I dunno.

 

[TigerRolllllll]

Then the bet is dead in the water....

Meant is the reverse also true? And assuming not

Willie despite for CC and has fav for Ryanair, so have to be a thrashing....that said i will do it....as its clever and prob value

 

[Kevloaf]

Meant is the reverse also true? And assuming not

Willie despite for CC and has fav for Ryanair, so have to be a thrashing....that said i will do it....as its clever and prob value

Ah right yeah I see.

Can't actually see any prices for Shishkin in the Ryanair now :indecisiveness:

 

[Benjy23]

Ah right yeah I see.

Can't actually see any prices for Shishkin in the Ryanair now :indecisiveness:

​​​​​​Didn't even get an entry. That's the confidence they have for the CC

 

[Kevloaf]

​​​​​​Didn't even get an entry. That's the confidence they have for the CC

Rightly so.

Wouldn't have been attempted the reverse related double myself.


If they are both still due to run, at final declarations, I think I'll do the Shishkin / Energumene Ryanair double as highlighted on the page back.

I'd genuinely prefer a really close battle that demands a rematch...

...and cna't do the bet beforehand in case one doesn't show up at Ascot.

 

[TigerRolllllll]

Ah right yeah I see.

Can't actually see any prices for Shishkin in the Ryanair now :indecisiveness:

You put up this idea when Altior and Cyrname clashed and i did then......almost worked brilliantly....so like it

But i think would need a defining no-chace for Ener run as Willie wants QM is much

I do think Ener might take Shiskin out of his comfort zone....and be backing him if they do meet and get 2s plus

 

[Kevloaf]

You put up this idea when Altior and Cyrname clashed and i did then......almost worked brilliantly....so like it

But i think would need a defining no-chace for Ener run as Willie wants QM is much

I do think Ener might take Shiskin out of his comfort zone....and be backing him if they do meet and get 2s plus

Yeah it's not as good an opportunity as that one looked.... it needs a very specific result (and style of result).

Still, have to explore all the angles :watermelon:


Fairly low risk though regardless I think.

 

[Quevega]

If Shishkin smashed Energumene and sends him down the Ryanair route and Chacun doesn't make the Fez due to his injury woes, does Mullins go empty handed in the Champion Chase??

:highly_amused::applause: I'm proud of you. You did really well not to mention Allaho.:encouragement:
And sadly no one else did.
Which I'm even more pleased with.

 

[Kevloaf]

:highly_amused::applause: I'm proud of you. You did really well not to mention Allaho.:encouragement:
And sadly no one else did.
Which I'm even more pleased with.

Allaslow got no business here. :excitement:

He's got business with Champ (stayers) and Minella Indo (GC) in this thread ...

and with Elimay. :disillusionment: again.

 

[Quevega]

i'll be steaming into Energumene if the prices remain so far apart after decs.
Anything around 2-1 or bigger and it's a good betting opportunity.
5-2 or 11/4 and it's 10pts time.

Don't get me wrong I'd have Shishkin as favourite to win, but it'd be a price thing.
More like 5/6 vs 6/4 in my head.

 

[Lobos]

:highly_amused::applause: I'm proud of you. You did really well not to mention Allaho.:encouragement:
And sadly no one else did.
Which I'm even more pleased with.

:biggrin-new::biggrin-new:Given up on that idea.

 

[Kevloaf]

i'll be steaming into Energumene if the prices remain so far apart after decs.
Anything around 2-1 or bigger and it's a good betting opportunity.
5-2 or 11/4 and it's 10pts time.

Don't get me wrong I'd have Shishkin as favourite to win, but it'd be a price thing.
More like 5/6 vs 6/4 in my head.

They'd be way closer on decs surely.

You should risk 2 pts of the 10 now, or consider it....

 

[Quevega]

They'd be way closer on decs surely.

You should risk 2 pts of the 10 now, or consider it....

I nearly did but have been waiting on anything from Mullins first.

 

[Kevloaf]

I nearly did but have been waiting on anything from Mullins first.

Given he was only a few lengths back..... after this weekend this could look good....

Shishkin and Funambule Sivola in the Grand Annual. 41/1 -


That's actually alright :triumphant: I'm actually having 1 pt e/w on. 5 places with Sky....

 

[fatherjohn]

I nearly did but have been waiting on anything from Mullins first.

I dont think prices will be that different on decs cause we saw what they were priced at for arkle last year until energumene was pulled out. shiskin was 8/11 and energumene 9/4.

 

[FinalFurlong91]

i'll be steaming into Energumene if the prices remain so far apart after decs.
Anything around 2-1 or bigger and it's a good betting opportunity.
5-2 or 11/4 and it's 10pts time.

Don't get me wrong I'd have Shishkin as favourite to win, but it'd be a price thing.
More like 5/6 vs 6/4 in my head.

Hes 3.65 on betfair and plenty to be taken

 

[Quevega]

Given he was only a few lengths back..... after this weekend this could look good....

Shishkin and Funambule Sivola in the Grand Annual. 41/1 -


That's actually alright :triumphant: I'm actually having 1 pt e/w on. 5 places with Sky....

Don't think he's well handicapped.
Think he may be running at the weekend.