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Martin Pipe Conditional Jockeys Handicap Hurdle

Can't Catch Me said:
Added this myself last night! 134 looks very fair to me. Taken the 18/1 with Hills and the boost
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....Front View is now 16-1 with Hills for this. Perhaps a glitch, but it’s still 16-1 (17.5-1 with boost) in their ‘any race’ market.
 
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jack1092 said:
Interesting shout- have you seen something? He would very much be fav i reckon if turning up here. Or atleast thereabouts
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Haven’t seen anything concrete Jack
However,know a trader with PP and said seen a fair bit of money for it after it was requested yesterday
Into as low as 12s with them now
 
Eggs said:
....Front View is now 16-1 with Hills for this. Perhaps a glitch, but it’s still 16-1 (17.5-1 with boost) in their ‘any race’ market.
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Great spot - have just taken a small amount of that.
 
jack1092 said:
For risk's sake i'd probably be taking 12/1 NRNB?
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...and that’s one of conundrums of Festival ante-post punting at this time of year. Very much a personal choice after weighing up the prices on offer. In this instance, you are clearly much more sensible than me, Jack.
 
jack1092 said:
For risk's sake i'd probably be taking 12/1 NRNB?
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For the sake of a fiver I'll play at 17.5/1 any race just in case it turns up in the County / Coral or something odd like that.

But I take your point!
 
If Front View were to win well this Thursday, then his 134 could zoom up, even before UK tax. Cashout or Any Race may give you better options.

I would be more interested if he won well, this week, and went for the County or Coral Cup.
 
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Quevega said:
Possibly cos i've already backed her for the coral cup and pipe, but Eglantine was most eyecatching, but obviously so.
Little bit concerned what handicapper will do, although we know the UK guy only added 2 the last time (or 4) can't recall.
Was held up almost last jumping the second last and went very wide all the way round the bend, but somehow almost jumped the last in front. With a better passage and slightly better timed ride, she'd have won.
And she probably needs further too.
Couldn't rule her out in the county though either, (probably go off favourite for that, as i've not backed her for that :highly_amused:)
Be delighted if she gets in a cheltenham handicap off 145/147 ish.
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EDS up 3 in Ireland so if they mirror that she'll have 145 over here. Very much of interest wherever she rocks up.
 
punterorplonker said:
Ben Jones - that was an angle i was trying to go down myself! What races can he use his claim for ?
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On that subject is there a chance that Pileon could turn up here? At the moment he isn't quoted but at some stage I think there is a good race in him.

Hobbs has totally underused Jones but this would be a decent ride for him.
 
kinloch brae said:
On that subject is there a chance that Pileon could turn up here? At the moment he isn't quoted but at some stage I think there is a good race in him.

Hobbs has totally underused Jones but this would be a decent ride for him.
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Just been told Unibet are going to put him in at 14/1. I hope I misheard that.
 
I believe Ruby put CoF up on road to Cheltenham last night. He's behind the curve on this one.
 
Haha..superior to Ruby this forum !. Anyway moving on very swiftly after that statement. I still have a horrible feeling the cof train will get a horrible ending. Surely his performances mean potentially a top weight for it? Or are we still just happy he gets in
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COF should get in and looks well marked, and of course is an Elliot horse in the race Elliot normally games.

That said I do wonder if it’s actually Conflated that’s The plot. His run last weekend was perfect for this.
 
Yeah it's always a race Elliott is well represented in. 3-4-3-3 runners in the past 4 years. He's certainly not going to be going in single handed for it. Conflated definately seems to be going under the radar in the betting at 25's still
 
punterorplonker said:
Haha..superior to Ruby this forum !. Anyway moving on very swiftly after that statement. I still have a horrible feeling the cof train will get a horrible ending. Surely his performances mean potentially a top weight for it? Or are we still just happy he gets in
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Unless the Handicapper goes mad, he won't be top weight.

PS, i suppose you could argue there's a chance he could go mad as he's done it to others. The main one that has everyone talking Dallas Des Pictons is a completely different scenario though.
The only minor concern i have is Longhouse Poet having run well in G1s if he went back to that run. DDP ran City Island close, but City Island ran in a small race after that so he wasn't highly handicapped.

At the prices some are on, that's the risk with antepost. They are the big prices for a reason!
 
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I think there are good reasons that Gordon Elliott runs his potential Martin Pipe horses(s) in handicaps, prior to Cheltenham.

The DRF gives him a 3M and 2M Hcap hurdle in which to assess horses chances that have the right handicap rating in Ireland.

Primarily to see if they are good enough in a big field competitive handicap.

Also, possibly to give more substance to the Irish handicap mark, than mark's awarded for running and winning in less competitive Novice races.

COF fits the bill, exactly as Dallas Des Pictons did, and would be unlikely to be given top weight of 145 after running 3rd off 132 in Ireland in a competitive handicap. (Now rated 136 in Ireland).
 
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jack1092 said:
Unless the Handicapper goes mad, he won't be top weight.

PS, i suppose you could argue there's a chance he could go mad as he's done it to others. The main one that has everyone talking Dallas Des Pictons is a completely different scenario though.
The only minor concern i have is Longhouse Poet having run well in G1s if he went back to that run. DDP ran City Island close, but City Island ran in a small race after that so he wasn't highly handicapped.

At the prices some are on, that's the risk with antepost. They are the big prices for a reason!
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Agree with Dallas Des Pictons being completely different. His previous years hurdle form of 148 gave the UK handicapper a chance to give him such a rise.
No such chance with CoF. They are obviosuly Irish ratings but Longhouse Poet is rated 145. Even Latest Exhibition is 'only' 148. I'd be stunned if he gets over the 9lb rise to put him above the ceiling for the race. I'll be pretty shocked even if he's pushed up more than 5-6lb.

Have no worry whatsoever he doesn't get in. And it also wouldn't worry me being close to or top weight either.
 
I wonder if McFabulous can sneak in here, won midweek beating the 133 rated hijack 20 lengths in 3rd - clearly didn’t run his race but was conceding 10lbs, 2nd was 127 rated giving 6lbs and beat 2.5 lengths.

Looking at a 130 rating, so I would need some fingers and toes crossed.

In reality just hoping to get a run for my money but I think he will be a 3miler in time which we all know this race leads too
 
COF update from Keith Donoghue’s blog:

“Column Of Fire ran a blinder and he will have learned plenty from that experience. He showed real resilience at the end to stay going into 3rd when he had looked beaten at one point. He's a good horse and it's possible on another year he might have ended up in the Grade One's at Cheltenham - we just have real strength in depth this year”
 
Splinterboy82 said:
COF update from Keith Donoghue’s blog:

“Column Of Fire ran a blinder and he will have learned plenty from that experience. He showed real resilience at the end to stay going into 3rd when he had looked beaten at one point. He's a good horse and it's possible on another year he might have ended up in the Grade One's at Cheltenham - we just have real strength in depth this year”
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With it being a gambling yard, are they talking up one to leave the price for the other for a late plunge :highly_amused:
 
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