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Mares Novice Hurdle 2020

jack1092 said:
I think his point is that you are saying yards don't have first or second strings. Yet Willie said he was adamant Ruby would want to ride Melon....no?
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He had the choice of three maiden winners, so they made the choice from the evidence they had, Which that season was limited.
They obviously will take home work into account, but not over and above everything else.

Had either of the other two had a couple of grade one novices under their belt and were 4/6 favourites he wouldn't have rode melon.

They have to prove it on the track. And earn the right.
 
quevega said:
He had the choice of three maiden winners, so they made the choice from the evidence they had, Which that season was limited.
They obviously will take home work into account, but not over and above everything else.

Had either of the other two had a couple of grade one novices under their belt and were 4/6 favourites he wouldn't have rode melon.

They have to prove it on the track. And earn the right.
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Whilst i'd probably agree, Bunk Off Early was 2nd in a G1 on his second start having travelled a dream. In theory, on form he held every right to be the no.1?
 
jack1092 said:
Whilst i'd probably agree, Bunk Off Early was 2nd in a G1 on his second start having travelled a dream. In theory, on form he held every right to be the no.1?
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Melon didn't get the chance to go for another race prior to cheltenham. For whatever reason.

The others (including Crack Mome who I forgot about) all had a pop at graded races after their maiden wins. They all failed.

He'll have looked at their respective form, and so would Ruby. and clearly none had really staked a claim, so they went with Melon.
If you read what I originally said (1st paragraph) properly you'll understand.
I never said he's only take form on the course to make decisions, just that form on the track will usually count for more.
Surely to god this is as obvious as Kirsty Gallagher being No1.
 
Crack Mome also came 2nd in the G1 Moscow Flyer and could have gone one better with a better jump at the last. They clearly knew who the best was from their work at home.
 
If Either of you two can find me an example of Ruby riding a maiden winner in preference to a multiple graded race winner I'll give up.
 
SAMCRO said:
Crack Mome also came 2nd in the G1 Moscow Flyer and could have gone one better with a better jump at the last. They clearly knew who the best was from their work at home.
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If they clearly knew who was best. How come Cilaos Emery beat Melon at Punchestown ????
Melon went off 5/4 and was heavily backed.
Leave me alone with your nonsense.
 
calm yourself down Q, i agree with you about Kirsty.
 
And from Memory, Pingshou and Melon set that race up for Cilaos. But he may prove to be better.
 
quevega said:
Melon didn't get the chance to go for another race prior to cheltenham. For whatever reason.

The others (including Crack Mome who I forgot about) all had a pop at graded races after their maiden wins. They all failed.

He'll have looked at their respective form, and so would Ruby. and clearly none had really staked a claim, so they went with Melon.
If you read what I originally said (1st paragraph) properly you'll understand.
I never said he's only take form on the course to make decisions, just that form on the track will usually count for more.
Surely to god this is as obvious as Kirsty Gallagher being No1.
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Willie ranks his horse's according to what they do in actual races on the course. They earn his full respect there.
Even if he has an idea who is likely to end up the best, from seeing them in training or practice races, there is no real substitute to a proper race.

This no?
"there is no substitute to a proper race"

So finishing 2nd in a G1 on his second start didn't count because Melon didn't make it to the track for a second race?

You're like an angry politician :devilish:
 
SAMCRO said:
And from Memory, Pingshou and Melon set that race up for Cilaos. But he may prove to be better.
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I'd say he already has.
Melon's still not won a grade 1.
Seems like he's a work horse who's not quite converted it on the track.
except the first tuesday of cheltenham where he runs to form.

Kirsty :encouragement::highly_amused:
I would also ride Jo Wilson.
 
jack1092 said:
Willie ranks his horse's according to what they do in actual races on the course. They earn his full respect there.
Even if he has an idea who is likely to end up the best, from seeing them in training or practice races, there is no real substitute to a proper race.

This no?
"there is no substitute to a proper race"

So finishing 2nd in a G1 on his second start didn't count because Melon didn't make it to the track for a second race?

You're like an angry politician :devilish:
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They all lost.
 
jack1092 said:
Willie ranks his horse's according to what they do in actual races on the course. They earn his full respect there.
Even if he has an idea who is likely to end up the best, from seeing them in training or practice races, there is no real substitute to a proper race.

This no?
"there is no substitute to a proper race"

So finishing 2nd in a G1 on his second start didn't count because Melon didn't make it to the track for a second race?

You're like an angry politician :devilish:
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Quevega is spot on and it’s why trying to draw comparisons/conclusions/assumptions/form lines from facile debut wins is largely a waste of time
 
Along with the RSA thread previously I wont bother posting or looking in on this one. For no other reason than Iv already played my hand here and hopefully they will make it to the race.

Daylight katie is the only other one that somewhat Interests me, shes got a bit more pace than last years winner, but I'll certainly be looking out the back for her, hoping she dosent come with a late rattle. I'm assuming she was probably 33s at one point. I should have covered her. But nevermind.
 
Scooby91 said:
Along with the RSA thread previously I wont bother posting or looking in on this one. For no other reason than Iv already played my hand here and hopefully they will make it to the race.

Daylight katie is the only other one that somewhat Interests me, shes got a bit more pace than last years winner, but I'll certainly be looking out the back for her, hoping she dosent come with a late rattle. I'm assuming she was probably 33s at one point. I should have covered her. But nevermind.
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For what it’s worth when Gordon was pressed pre season to name a potential star under the radar he named her
 
charlie said:
Quevega is spot on and it’s why trying to draw comparisons/conclusions/assumptions/form lines from facile debut wins is largely a waste of time
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Of course it is, not sure that's ever been my point on what he's said tbf Charlie.
 
jack1092 said:
Of course it is, not sure that's ever been my point on what he's said tbf Charlie.
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That was just a general point, nothing aimed at anything you have said Jack (it was easier to use the bit you highlighted than do it myself :))
 
Scooby91 said:
Along with the RSA thread previously I wont bother posting or looking in on this one. For no other reason than Iv already played my hand here and hopefully they will make it to the race.

Daylight katie is the only other one that somewhat Interests me, shes got a bit more pace than last years winner, but I'll certainly be looking out the back for her, hoping she dosent come with a late rattle. I'm assuming she was probably 33s at one point. I should have covered her. But nevermind.
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Thank you Scooby for highlighting both Lamarkise & Dolcilta early on. I fortunate enough to back both at decent AP prices. I hope they both get to the festival and win this race.
 
Been overseas for a few days but glanced in here at the right time and saw the Dolcita chat, so cheers fellas. Nice performance but does make me tempted to top up on Lamarckise at 7/1 tbh!
 
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