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Laurina is alive and well. so...

Markmightbite said:
Hi scooby more of a watcher on here than a poster, but the info is invaluable every year.. anyway .. what are your reasons? Beat nothing as of yet? Will need to be slicker at Cheltenham as BVD pings over the jumps?.. thoughts mate?
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Hi Mark,
Scooby will answer you for sure but I thought I'd mention (in case you're unaware) he was as strongly (very) against Presenting Percy last year as he is Laurina this.
And I agreed with him to a point but not to the same extent, and ended up backing PP by default.
But he may well be right with Laurina, time will tell.
PS,
His son is called Percy and if he's not careful he'll be having a daughter soon.....
precautions and all that.
 
quevega said:
Hi Mark,
Scooby will answer you for sure but I thought I'd mention (in case you're unaware) he was as strongly (very) against Presenting Percy last year as he is Laurina this.
And I agreed with him to a point but not to the same extent, and ended up backing PP by default.
But he may well be right with Laurina, time will tell.
PS,
His son is called Percy and if he's not careful he'll be having a daughter soon.....
precautions and all that.
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Quite happy for you to post all your bets along side mine. See who ends up doing best
 
Scooby91 said:
Quite happy for you to post all your bets along side mine. See who ends up doing best
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Stop getting all competitive.
We use different strategies but I'm sure you'll do well enough. You've not got many weaknesses.
I'm only interested in beating the bookies.
Good luck.

I was simply attempting to provide some balance for the voyeurs and followers.
 
Scooby91 said:
Quite happy for you to post all your bets along side mine. See who ends up doing best
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Maybe I'm wrong but I get the impression there's some tension between you two. What's with all the competitive stuff? Are we not all just trying to find a few winners, express opinions and open up debate? I have to break it to you - but neither of you will be right all the time. If you were you wouldn't be on this discussion thread - you'd be playing it up in the Bahamas with Andy Stewart and P Diddy.
 
delsie777 said:
Maybe I'm wrong but I get the impression there's some tension between you two. What's with all the competitive stuff? Are we not all just trying to find a few winners, express opinions and open up debate? I have to break it to you - but neither of you will be right all the time. If you were you wouldn't be on this discussion thread - you'd be playing it up in the Bahamas with Andy Stewart and P Diddy.
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I'm like that with anyone to be fair. I have to be competative as literally this is the spare/ luxury money I will have from March onwards for the rest of the year. So I have to back my own opinion 100%. I won't be right all the time, no doubt. (In my head, right now i am right) But if I'm not making money on the festival as a whole. Somethings gone badly wrong.
 
delsie777 said:
Maybe I'm wrong but I get the impression there's some tension between you two. What's with all the competitive stuff? Are we not all just trying to find a few winners, express opinions and open up debate? I have to break it to you - but neither of you will be right all the time. If you were you wouldn't be on this discussion thread - you'd be playing it up in the Bahamas with Andy Stewart and P Diddy.
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Correct, I wouldn't be on here if I was right all the time.
PS.
does it have to be andy stewart or P diddy ?
surely there's somebody else playing it up in the bahamas.
 
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quevega said:
Correct, I wouldn't be on here if I was right all the time.
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No problem with that Scooby. It's just the fact that we are all trying to do that. We all know racing has a wonderful way of surprising us. We are all so inclined to be so definite and racing just isn't like that. Just think that opinions should be respected a bit more even when we don't necessarily agree. I started this thread because I think the Laurina question is fascinating and interesting to discuss. Your opinion is that she is a no hoper - mine is that I have a feeling that given the connections and their closeness to the formlines, she COULD be a bit out of the ordinary. I respect your opinion and you may very well be right, but it's fun to discuss isn't it? If it isn't we might as well just start a 'Who has got the biggest balls' thread and have done with it.
 
delsie777 said:
No problem with that Scooby. It's just the fact that we are all trying to do that. We all know racing has a wonderful way of surprising us. We are all so inclined to be so definite and racing just isn't like that. Just think that opinions should be respected a bit more even when we don't necessarily agree. I started this thread because I think the Laurina question is fascinating and interesting to discuss. Your opinion is that she is a no hoper - mine is that I have a feeling that given the connections and their closeness to the formlines, she COULD be a bit out of the ordinary. I respect your opinion and you may very well be right, but it's fun to discuss isn't it? If it isn't we might as well just start a 'Who has got the biggest balls' thread and have done with it.
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Or who's got 2 balls ?
Out of a gang of 6 of me and some friends of mine, I found out last year, on a night out when the subject came up ?? that 3 of them have only one testicle (and one kidney).:p
 
delsie777 said:
No problem with that Scooby. It's just the fact that we are all trying to do that. We all know racing has a wonderful way of surprising us. We are all so inclined to be so definite and racing just isn't like that. Just think that opinions should be respected a bit more even when we don't necessarily agree. I started this thread because I think the Laurina question is fascinating and interesting to discuss. Your opinion is that she is a no hoper - mine is that I have a feeling that given the connections and their closeness to the formlines, she COULD be a bit out of the ordinary. I respect your opinion and you may very well be right, but it's fun to discuss isn't it? If it isn't we might as well just start a 'Who has got the biggest balls' thread and have done with it.
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Mark asked for my opinion and I gave my honest one. :)
I diddnt just randomly post that.

I don't think she's a no hoper at all. But I don't think she's a leading contender imo. And i genuinely don't get why she's rated as a superstar. It honestly confuses me.
 
quevega said:
Or who's got 2 balls ?
Out of a gang of 6 of me and some friends of mine, I found out last year, on a night out when the subject came up ?? that 3 of them have only one testicle (and one kidney).:p
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Christ Q! Not sure I'll be coming on a night out with you! Were they all male??!!:)
 
Scooby91 said:
Mark asked for my opinion and I gave my honest one. :)
I diddnt just randomly post that.

I don't think she's a no hoper at all. But I don't think she's a leading contender imo. And i genuinely don't get why she's rated as a superstar. It honestly confuses me.
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Yeah - that's the beauty of it. One thing for sure - I really wouldn't be laying her at 4/1. Could be the lay of all time but too rich for my blood. Any other outfit, I might consider it - but not this lot.
 
delsie777 said:
Christ Q! Not sure I'll be coming on a night out with you! Were they all male??!!:)
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Yep all male, and you'd be safe I'm sure. I didn't steal them !
 
Scooby91 said:
I don't think she's a no hoper at all. But I don't think she's a leading contender imo. And i genuinely don't get why she's rated as a superstar. It honestly confuses me.
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Agree with that - as short as it is because it Willie’s and all last years leading novices have bombed so what else is there. I’d forgive a horse a blip and expect Buveur to win again.
 
IMO you have to believe Laurina to be better than Annie Power already at this stage of her career to give her a chance in the CH, and 4/1 is not a price I'd want to guess at for that?

As a huge Laurina fan, I put her in the bracket 'to be as good as Annie Power eventually' I just don't think this is the year and Scooby has rightly said that not one bit of her form entitles her to be as short as she is, all that is is connection talk/power that have forced that price. I had her @ 12's & 8's for the Mares' Novice last season IIRC, possibly bigger, but I never went in on her after them prices went, and I sure as hell won't be taking the plunge now I don't have some of the 14's that were around for her originally, it's a criminal price.

Don't know if it was this thread or another but it was asked whether anyone would back Laurina @ 9/2 or lay her, and I did say I'd back each way this was based purely on FOMO, and nothing else, because of how good I think she can be eventually, slightly contradictory to what I have said above but it was a gun to the head decision, somethink I don't have to make in reality.
 
The point that's being missed, is that we ALL had the chance to back her at 14s - we KNEW she'd be shorter than she deserves to be.

If you read posts on Annamix, and posts on Laurina, you get two different opinions, on what I consider, pretty similar situations.

No one thinks Laurina is good value now based on form, but there is more than just form to consider when making a bet.

When you're talking strictly on whether she has shown the form to win the Champion Hurdle, it's 100% no, no arguement ... but that isn't how racing works. The horse that's shown the best form prior to any race does not always win the race.
 
Kevloaf said:
The point that's being missed, is that we ALL had the chance to back her at 14s - we KNEW she'd be shorter than she deserves to be.

If you read posts on Annamix, and posts on Laurina, you get two different opinions, on what I consider, pretty similar situations.

No one thinks Laurina is good value now based on form, but there is more than just form to consider when making a bet.

When you're talking strictly on whether she has shown the form to win the Champion Hurdle, it's 100% no, no arguement ... but that isn't how racing works. The horse that's shown the best form prior to any race does not always win the race.
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The reason I diddnt back her at 14s is there wasn't any cashout at the time. I thought the intention was CH, however poss foolishly I thought she'd be campaigned far more aggressively. Be beaten in 1 of the races sharjah won. And them gone for the mares.
And therefore be a NR
 
If anyone said to you now ‘I’ll give you a grand if you pick the winner, now, of the champion hurdle’ most will say Buveur Dair.

So if your starting point is like me you think Buvuers the most likely winner, then the only way your using your own money to back anything else is you think there’s value in doing so. Now everyone’s idea of value is likely to be different but for me I only see Laurina placing at best, so I’d want 10s which I’m not going to get- so I either back Buveur or don’t bet in that race.

Not saying Laurina can’t win but not that likely IMO.
 
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