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July ‘25 Yankee

….as per @ComplyOrDie suggestion last month, I think it’s ideal timing for a @Saxon Warrior themed Yankee this month.

I’d already be quite certain of two;

Doctor du Mesni (Turners). From the above, Saxon has a slight preference for Turners, although FJs might want to split stakes capturing Supreme (for which he was selected last month).
State Man (Champion Hurdle).

I’d be tempted with Irancy, although Saxon indicating KDB has the best profile for Arkle. Maybe tease a couple out and get the selections out this week.

@Saxon Warrior is there anything you’d particularly suggest we include?

Note; BFSB have a bet £5 multiple, get £5 multiple this week.
 
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….as per @ComplyOrDie suggestion last month, I think it’s ideal timing for a @Saxon Warrior themed Yankee this month.

I’d already be quite certain of two;

Doctor du Mesni (Turners). From the above, Saxon has a slight preference for Turners, although FJs might want to split stakes capturing Supreme (for which he was selected last month).
State Man (Champion Hurdle).

I’d be tempted with Irancy, although Saxon indicating KDB has the best profile for Arkle. Maybe tease a couple out and get the selections out this week.

@Saxon Warrior is there anything you’d particularly suggest we include?

Note; BFSB have a bet £5 multiple, get £5 multiple this week.
I reminded myself of the interviews Willie gave at the DRF after...

first

Kopek Des Bordes (over 2M)

and then

Final Demand (over 2M6F)

blitzed the fields of these 2 Grade 1 Novice Hurdles.

Both after just one lifetime Hurdle run (and one prior lifetime run - KDB in a Bumper, FS in a P2P)

Gist of what Willie said was that - if you're lucky you get one of these horses every 4 or 5 years, but this season we've got 2 of them.

So I watched back all of their racecourse runs.

Goodness, Final Demand was more impressive than I even recall at Christmas, and also was excellent at the DRF and at Punchestown.

Real pity about the Turners in March.

RPRs say he ran up to scratch, but it didnt quite look like it to my eyes.

He took on better horses though, but he didnt dominate them and stretch them - which made him vulnerable.

Kopek Des Bordes

Brilliant Bumper debut.

Sketchy Hurdles debut to overcome the odds he gave himself to win

Then sauntered in at the DRF, even when a loose horse tried to nudge him out of it.

Plenty good enough in the Supreme

Then chased Salvator Mundi and didnt last into the straight at Punchestown

No reports on why.

Both are likely to go to Arkle and BANC as targets given the lack of midtrip NovCH.

I came away from that study, with Willies words at the DRF ringing in my ears.

and I think they'll both be hard to beat during the winter.

State Man given his age will have one more chance before reaching 10yo to win a 2nd Champion Hurdle.

The lack of desire to run Lossiemouth against him last year in March doesnt bode well to her taking him on this coming year.

Plus Paul shows no interest on riding her against him.

Con.Hill looks 2 years past his brilliant best.

So State Man looks good value.

DDM is the only NovH Im interested in at this point.

The Gold Cup looks trappy to nail 1 as a winner atm.

Ryanair always is, but easy to see F2F going back to it again, though 4/1 and having tried 3 different trips the last 3 runs leaves him a bit like Gaelic Warrior (where will either end up by March).

Mares is messy with Lossiemouth short.

Mares Chase has worthy fav, said to be running again in it.

But some good Novices form last year coming through plus Brighterdaysahead going chasing - and still not a Cheltenham Festival winner.

QMCC I like what Marine Nationale did in March. Plus Kalif du Berlais did really well at Aintree as only a 5yo.

Stayers I'd back Ballyburn or Jasmin de Vaux over Teahupoo if either went there.

Probably add in Jimmy Du Seuil for that too - or for the BANC as an outsiders to watch - he pissed in, in that Coral Cup after a season without a run. Though his stallion hasn't had a good 3M horse yet.

So overall if I was tempted to back a multi at the moment it would probably be less adventurous than I usually go this far out.

Say....

Kopek De Bordes - Arkle
State Man - Champion Hurdle
Doctor Du Mesnil - Turners
Final Demand - BANC

all done and dusted by Race 2 Day 2

Also do the saver with the 7 parts of a Yankee that DDM appears in, also replicated with the Supreme

So Yankee as above

And

DDM Supreme doubles with
State Man
Final Demand
Kopek DB

DDM Supreme Acca with those 3

DDM Trebles with

KopekDB/Final D
KopekDB/State Man
Final D/State Man

So 18 bets in total.

Keep them small, they rarely come off
 
I’m going to ask a silly question now. Does Willie normally run his BANC horses over 3m as a novice hurdler?
Is there a chance that final demand might stay at 21/2 mile and miss Cheltenham?
Just thinking
 
I’m going to ask a silly question now. Does Willie normally run his BANC horses over 3m as a novice hurdler?
Is there a chance that final demand might stay at 21/2 mile and miss Cheltenham?
Just thinking
I think it’s highly plausible to have a Ryanair winner, bidding to double up in 2026 as a replacement for Final Demand.

I’m onside with it being likely that Willie reverts to that race come March, wherever he sends to horse in the meantime.

It’s highly likely he’s going to debut his season in the John Durkan over the midtrip, for a second year running too.

Does Willie run his BANC horses over 3M as Novice Hurdlers?

If you check out my 10-Year Willie Mullins Diary for the BANC race you’ll probably find your answer there.

Post in thread 'WILLIE MULLINS - Cheltenham Festival Statistics and Assessments by SAXON WARRIOR'
https://www.fatjockey.com/forum/thr...sessments-by-saxon-warrior.311582/post-311585

I haven’t updated for this March just gone yet, as I’m in House Move mode so haven’t been able to devote the time in July to doing that yet. Maybe come September I can do that (and the Gordon Elliott Diary).

But I do know that Ballyburn and Quai Du Bourbon ran in the BANC and didn’t go 3M as Hurdlers, while Lecky Watson and Dancing City ran in the BANC and did do 3M as a Novice
 
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….so the July Yankee courtesy of @Saxon Warrior * is;

Kopek des Bordes (Ark) 7-1
State Man (CH) 8-1
Doctor du Mesnil (Tur) 25-1
Final Demand (BANC) 3-1

Prices are PP/BFSB. Acca is 7,487-1
*Saxon recommends covering 7 multiples with DDM in Supreme (small stakes). Acca is 9,791-1 with PP/BFSB.

Many Thanks, Saxon. I’ll update the main thread shortly.
 
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….no rush to start the August thread but I would appreciate a volunteer Captain to consider the discussion and come up with final selection.

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Nice one @Saxon Warrior

Just a quick one, besides him running and winning a bumper over 2m3f, why would you have preference for DDM in the Turners over the Supreme? Any other reasons, or just the distance of his bumper win in your mind?

Cheers
 
Nice one @Saxon Warrior

Just a quick one, besides him running and winning a bumper over 2m3f, why would you have preference for DDM in the Turners over the Supreme? Any other reasons, or just the distance of his bumper win in your mind?

Cheers
Breeding isnt decisive
Nor the fact he debuted over 2M3F.

The Turners is almost always won by a Prior Year, ex-Bumper horse.

The Supreme is not as prolific on that front, re Prior Year Bumper horses, historically, but it is starting to get Prior Year Bumper winners hitting the target more regularly now

In the past Willies won the Supreme with
Klassical Dream - from French Flat/Hurdles

Douvan - from French Hurdles

as well as Bumper horses.

whereas his Turners/Ballymore winners are all invariably from Bumpers.

Its a close call

That's specially why I've suggested covering both options on the DDM portion of the bets.

At 25s and 33s biggest across those 2 races there's plenty of wriggle room to back him in both
 
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In the past Willies won the Supreme with
Klassical Dream - from French Flat/Hurdles

Douvan - from French Hurdles

as well as Bumper horses.

whereas his Turners/Ballymore winners are all invariably from Bumpers.

Its a close call

That's specially why I've suggested covering both options on the DDM portion of the bets.

At 25s and 33s biggest across those 2 races there's plenty of wriggle room to back him in both

P2P background though (majority), with the exception of just 1. Fiveforthree, and he was back in 2008.

He's also had two from France. Mikael D'haguenet & Impaire Et Passe.

As you note though, enough juice in them prices to risk both races if you so wish. I'll back your Yankee regardless of race, but for me I'd be more in the Supreme camp with him :)
 
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Bit of a Gordon update today courtesy of an interview with Nick Luck;
Brighterdaysahead and Romeo Coolio go chasing, the latter is a livewire Arkle candidate for me...
 
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Plenty of others I'm sure will do a better job, how about the reinvented @Danman ?
If you take the next one I'll do September ? But remember in my former guise i bagged zero winners on my attempt, though kopek did win but in the wrong race ! 😂
 
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Any news on the yellow clay?
Gordon Elliott says he "wouldn't be shocked" to see THE YELLOW CLAY stay over hurdles this season.

"He's a very laid-back horse, you could step him up to three miles or go two-and-a-half. He'd definitely stay further."
 
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