Grand Annual 2018

[Viking Flagship]

I can't believe I'm starting a thread about the Grand Annual in December as I generally find it a minefield of a race and I don't think I've ever had a bet on it before Festival week. However, I've had a horse in mind for this since it's last run when disappointing behind Shantou Rock in October and that horse is DIEGO DU CHARMIL. I can't find the article now but I read in the day or two after his last run that a small issue had come to light to explain the performance and that the horse would have a break and be built back up for the spring festivals, back on favoured decent ground.

I believe Nicholls rates this horse and may even have had higher hopes than handicaps at the start of the season, but I reckon circumstances will now very much dictate the handicap route. He's been given a mark of 147 to mirror his hurdles rating which was earned by winning the Scottish County Hurdle stylishly off 140. Interestingly 147 is the same mark as 2 of the last 4 winners of the Grand Annual - and the last 4 winners have all carried 11st or higher to victory. Paul Nicholls has won this race 3 times in the past and usually targets one at it (Le Prezien was an extremely well-backed favourite last year if I recall correctly). DDC is a previous winner of the Fred Winter, clearly having a liking for a strongly run 2 miles on decent ground. He's shown an adeptness for the chasing game when jumping well to win a 2 horse affair on debut and I'd be surprised if this race wasn't his target come the spring.

He wasn't originally priced up for the race but I requested it from PP over the weekend and I've been happy to have a nibble at the 25/1 they provided.

 

[Istabraq]

I haven't had the winner of this since Stormin Norman got Samakaan up to win, so any help in solving this puzzle would be appreciated...

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Good post VF... he's very much on my watchlist. All makes perfect sense!

 

[Istabraq]

I don't think DDC has an official chase rating at the moment but having achieved an RPR of 152 for his novice chase win at Newton Abbot and having a hurdle rating of 149 he could be in danger of handicapping himself out of this.
Topweight ranges around 152-154 and whilst I don't think there's a ceiling if he were to go into a race like this off near 160 there's the chance half the field would be carrying under 11st and potentially some very good/well handicapped animals carrying 10st or a shade more.
Plenty of 2m chasers rated mid/high 150s tackle the Champion Chase, not suggesting DDC will go this route but it's one to keep an eye on.....

 

[Can't Catch Me]

He’d go for the Arkle ahead of the QMCC if going down that route wouldn’t he Ista?

 

[Viking Flagship]

Yep, still a novice. There is a risk they'd go the Arkle route but I just don't see it with a mark that is exploitative.

According to RP his official chase and hurdles mark is 147.

 

[Istabraq]

He’d go for the Arkle ahead of the QMCC if going down that route wouldn’t he Ista?

Definitely, I just referenced the Champ Chase as plenty of renewals have 155-160 rated chasers taking their chances there, if going Arkle he'd probably have a chance....

 

[Scooby91]

Tell us more.
He keeps running over right handed tracks where his record is poor he veers out to the left markedly with every jump his mark is coming down, if it continues to do so. He's going to be very well handicapped on a left handed track over 2.
Iv been waiting an age for him to run in a left handed handicap 2m chase.

 

[Kevloaf]

Must have been mentioned elsewhere on the site but can't remember who said it... but Vaniteux is being campaigned in and incredibly obvious 'plot' towards this race IMO.

I see sky are 14/1 NRNB.

I did think about Rock The World at 25/1 but I don't think they'll be able to get the mark back down to be competitive at 10yo.

Diego Du Charmil mentioned above is 20/1 NRNB

Ozzie The Oscar, 3rd in the County hurdle last year not beaten far .... he's 40/1 and interested me a little

 

[Liammet]

Been a horrible race for me over the years
I am interested in don't touch it though
Might be laid out for this by a trainer who knows what it takes to win it
Form is better in the spring on good ground
Having first run of the season today at Fairyhouse
Hoping he will run well without winning

 

[doctorwu]

I second that Liam. I thought I had the handicap "good thing" last year in Velvet Maker (ran stinker) & Dandridge. Ive spent hours going through this race to no avail.

 

[Cashew King]

Interesting to see in Henderson’s blog today that if he had to have an ante-post bet for Cheltenham he’d back Theinval for this - still 33s with Betfair (if they’ll let you have more than 33p!) :grumpy:

 

[Kevloaf]

Doctor Pheonix likely to run here off top weight? Or take up that Champion Chase entry?

16/1 NRNB ??

 

[Kevloaf]

Interesting to see in Henderson’s blog today that if he had to have an ante-post bet for Cheltenham he’d back Theinval for this - still 33s with Betfair (if they’ll let you have more than 33p!) :grumpy:

I might actually take that 3rd last year at 16/1

Best form to me is over 2m on better ground and he's only 3 lbs higher now than last year.... looks like they've tried to get that down since Aintree too....

25/1 is best price now.... anyone interested?

 

[jono]

He interests me for sure however he has started to become an expensive horse to back!

I can't stop going back to his run at Ayr in April last year on good (g-s) ground:

1. Cloudy Dream - now rated 158
2. Theinval - now rated 141
3. Oldgrangewood - now rated 148
4. Clan des Obeaux - now rated 155
PU. Flying Angel - now rated 152

 

[Kevloaf]

He interests me for sure however he has started to become an expensive horse to back!

I can't stop going back to his run at Ayr in April last year on good (g-s) ground:

1. Cloudy Dream - now rated 158
2. Theinval - now rated 141
3. Oldgrangewood - now rated 148
4. Clan des Obeaux - now rated 155
PU. Flying Angel - now rated 152

That's good, as I backed him before waiting for a reponse :highly_amused:

I liked the 2nd behind Double W's as well, that you'd put up for the Close Brothers I think? Or was it for Aintree afterwards when he won?

 

[jono]

He interests me for sure however he has started to become an expensive horse to back!

I can't stop going back to his run at Ayr in April last year on good (g-s) ground:

1. Cloudy Dream - now rated 158
2. Theinval - now rated 141
3. Oldgrangewood - now rated 148
4. Clan des Obeaux - now rated 155
PU. Flying Angel - now rated 152

He's better than his current mark BUT my worry is he doesn't win often and may be a bit of a 'nearly horse'?

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

In case anyone had him in their shortlist. I was told by a friend that Double Ws is likely to skip Cheltenham and target Aintree instead - I'll see the owners next month and post on here if I hear anything. Although not sure anyone would be interested in backing him after his last two runs.

 

[Sirbetalot]

Anyone like Tombstone for this? 25/1 sounds fair or 14/1 nrnb... last year he ran a stinker in the Coral Cup but i think this is more his distance & I can not see him running in the JLT...

 

[Scooby91]

Anyone like Tombstone for this? 25/1 sounds fair or 14/1 nrnb... last year he ran a stinker in the Coral Cup but i think this is more his distance & I can not see him running in the JLT...

I think he wants considerably further personally.