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Judging by what Constitution River did, I think we can say that the ground was fine and that Haggas is a good judge of horses to avoid.
 
archie said:
Judging by what Constitution River did, I think we can say that the ground was fine and that Haggas is a good judge of horses to avoid.
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Who's side would you be on re the Epsom Derby if the two we've seen this week Archie?
 
Lobos said:
Who's side would you be on re the Epsom Derby if the two we've seen this week Archie?
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Definitely Constitution River but there has to be a chance that he'll go to the French Derby.
 
archie said:
Definitely Constitution River but there has to be a chance that he'll go to the French Derby.
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I'd be the other way around. BC reminds me of The Minstrel with his colour and markings. A chance they both go to Epsom depending on how AOB horses go in the other trials.
 
Zanndabad in the 3.05 at Chester. And I see Hugh Taylor has tipped it. He must be a lurker here then.

Tony Martin double opportunity with this and the Chester Cup?
 
Lobos said:
I'd be the other way around. BC reminds me of The Minstrel with his colour and markings. A chance they both go to Epsom depending on how AOB horses go in the other trials.
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Apart from being a fine specimen, CR is able to go in behind a fast pace, move into contention with little effort and then put 7 lengths between himself and the rest of the field in the closing stages. He is bred to stay the extra trip in the Derby. BC is more of a dour stayer and RPRs have him 4lb behind CR.

Who knows how the other AOB horses have progressed - they are all still babies and improving at different rates - but I'd be fairly confident that CR is better than BC. I have a small ew slip at 16/1 in support of that view.
 
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Timeforms view

"It’s impossible to escape the conclusion that we saw something out of the ordinary in the Dee Stakes where Constitution River ran out a seven-length winner in a race record time under conditions that were faster than the official," said Timeform's Lead Flat Analyst David Johnson.

"Aidan O’Brien has dominated the Chester trials for several years now, this was his fifth Dee Stakes in a row and his eighth in the last nine runnings and this latest one served notice of the arrival of a potential new star on the scene.

"The yard probably have more suitable candidates for Epsom, the Vase winner Benvenuto Cellini for one, but Constitution River is surely a Group One winner in waiting at around a mile-and-a-quarter, and the prospect of a match-up with 2000 Guineas winner Bow Echo further down the line is a mouthwatering one."
 
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Worth noting he's actually entered in The St James Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot so the match up could happen there. Also in the Irish 2000G. I'd be tempted by the 16/1 for the Eclipse. That would look a perfect fit.
 
Lobos said:
Worth noting he's actually entered in The St James Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot so the match up could happen there. Also in the Irish 2000G. I'd be tempted by the 16/1 for the Eclipse. That would look a perfect fit.
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CR was 16's across boards for Eclipse but has been cut to a general 12's (as low as 6 with Unibet).

Corals/Ladbrokes only bookies holding on at 16's
 
Would be a nice follow up from the Derby for which he's now in to 9/2.
 
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Would be a nice follow up from the Derby for which he's now in to 9/2.
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Front two shortened up following disappointing effort from the early Derby Fav Pierre Bonnard who seems unlikely to go to Epsom now. Dante to come this week.
 
CR cut to 10's by Coral/Laddies for Eclipse!
AOB says he put up best performance at Chester.
 
Runaway Dee Stakes victor Constitution River was the pick of the Ballydoyle winners at Chester this week, according to his trainer Aidan O’Brien.
Constitution River impressed when winning the Futurity Stakes at the Curragh in August and stretched his unbeaten run to three when he stormed seven lengths clear of Generic on the Roodee on Thursday.
The Derby at Epsom and French equivalent at Chantilly are both under consideration for the Wootton Bassett colt, as O’Brien told stand-in host Jane Mangan on this week’s Luck On Sunday programme.
"Everyone was impressed. He will get back up to full work before the lads decide [which race to run in].
“Chester gives both options, and we will decide in the next couple of days. He’s comfortable over a mile and a quarter, but you couldn't say he wouldn't get further.”
 
Benvenuto Cellini also starred this week, landing the Chester Vase 24 hours earlier, and is another who did his Derby credentials no harm.
O’Brien explained: “We always thought he’d get a mile and a half but not much further. We think he’d be comfortable over a mile and a quarter.
“We were very happy with him.”

Very much sounds like to to me that the two will be split and both could go either way.
 
Sustained support for CR in Eclipse....into 6/1 with PP.

Further support for Epsom Derby as well.
 
Lobos said:
Sustained support for CR in Eclipse....into 6/1 with PP.

Further support for Epsom Derby as well.
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I looked at the prices earlier, whilst Unibet are their usual horrific self they are all offering diabolical value with books runninga t around 200% and operating ante post rules.
I wish they wouldn't bother, just give up...
 
Cheers Archie.

This bit speaks volumes as to how highly they must rate CR


O’Brien said: “I think Ryan would find it very hard to get off Benvenuto Cellini, but I would imagine if Constitution River went he would probably get off Benvenuto Cellini. But it wouldn’t be written in stone.”

I read somewhere that winning the French Derby now adds more to Stallion value than the Epsom Derby.

If true, perhaps that is in the back of their minds ?

Wherever he goes in June I am getting increasingly confident that he'll be their Eclipse horse.
Interesting though what they said about him never having raced Right Handed. Never heard them mention that before with any horse ??
 
CR into 6/4 today from 5/1 for French Derby and pushed back out for Epsom. Decision made ??
 
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