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Eggs said:
….PP have a market. Henderson is 7-1 (Mullins 1-6).
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Thing with those sort of bets are that unlike mulllins and elliott, you can more or less pick out hendersons winners if he's going to have 7 or 8 or something like that, so probably just better off doing some sort of multi with them instead of taking the 7/1.
 
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riccirich said:
Thing with those sort of bets are that unlike mulllins and elliott, you can more or less pick out hendersons winners if he's going to have 7 or 8 or something like that, so probably just better off doing some sort of multi with them instead of taking the 7/1.
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Hmm good point - I’ll take a look and do some calculations :biggrin-new:
 
BagOfHammers said:
Hmm good point - I’ll take a look and do some calculations :biggrin-new:
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For example the con hill, sir gino, lulamba and jonbon four fold by itself is about 18/1, and you'd imagine if he's going to reach to 7-8 that might be needed to be top trainer, then you'd want those to be winning. And it's probably easy enough to fill in the rest of his hopes in the graded races, lucky place, jango baie, khrisma (maybe), palladium along with lulamba (maybe), something in the bartlett maybe, and probably a few obvious handicap chances. So some sort of multi bet including all of them once the runners become clearer closer to the time might look better value to you. Such as 10 horses in the bet slip with combos of 7 or something if you think that's how many he might need to be top trainer.
 
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Nice to see git maker out again today, 25s for the kim muir looks excellant value, same mark and ran into a monster handicapoed horse in last years KM, was 10,Ls clear of the 3rd that day, hurdle spin today should have him spot on although to be fair hes not bad off a break either, hope its the kim muir then onto scots grand national for him
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Birds Nest said:
Nice to see git maker out again today, 25s for the kim muir looks excellant value, same mark and ran into a monster handicapoed horse in last years KM, was 10,Ls clear of the 3rd that day, hurdle spin today should have him spot on although to be fair hes not bad off a break either, hope its the kim muir then onto scots grand national for him
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40's now with Denise.
 
Liammet said:
Is this a thread relating to potential Cheltenham winners Kev ?

Or would it go into the National Hunt Section ?

Ok with either,I think it’s a good idea
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….presume it’s related to more general NH racing as we have ‘under the radar’ for potential Feetival winners.
 
Qualifying runs for Festival Handicaps


There has been a lot of questions about the number of qualifying runs required for Festival Handicaps. Below is my understanding of how many runs you need to qualify for each Handicap at the Cheltenham Festival. Happy for some smarter than I to double check and confirm, or correct, as the case may be.

All Non-Novices require 3 runs to qualify for a Class 1 or 2 Handicap Hurdle/Chase.

For Novices the number of runs required are :

Ultima - 4 runs
Boodles - 3 runs (Novice only)
NH Chase - 3 runs (Novice only). 0-145
Coral Cup - 5 runs
Cross Country - 4 runs
Grand Annual - 4 runs
Turners Novice Handicap - 3 runs (Novice only). Not limited to 145.
Pertemps - 5 runs
Plate - 4 runs
Kim Muir - 4 runs. 0-145
County - 5 runs
Martin Pipe - 5 runs. 0-145




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BuckingThe Trend said:
Qualifying runs for Festival Handicaps


There has been a lot of questions about the number of qualifying runs required for Festival Handicaps. Below is my understanding of how many runs you need to qualify for each Handicap at the Cheltenham Festival. Happy for some smarter than I to double check and confirm, or correct, as the case may be.

All Non-Novices require 3 runs to qualify for a Class 1 or 2 Handicap Hurdle/Chase.

For Novices the number of runs required are :

Ultima - 4 runs
Boodles - 3 runs (Novice only)
NH Chase - 3 runs (Novice only). 0-145
Coral Cup - 5 runs
Cross Country - 4 runs
Grand Annual - 4 runs
Turners Novice Handicap - 3 runs (Novice only). Not limited to 145.
Pertemps - 5 runs
Plate - 4 runs
Kim Muir - 4 runs. 0-145
County - 5 runs
Martin Pipe - 5 runs. 0-145




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Looks pretty much what Jake Price put up in a Tweet in December :encouragement:
 
That is my understanding, even though I do keep forgetting.
 
I disagree as per the Jockey Club Press Release:
  • Currently horses must have run at least three times (chases) or four times (hurdles) to be eligible to run in non-novice handicaps at The Festival. From 2025, this will be increased to four chase and five hurdle runs.
​This implies all horses must have run four chase or five hurdles, not restricted to novices.
 
Runragged said:
I disagree as per the Jockey Club Press Release:
  • Currently horses must have run at least three times (chases) or four times (hurdles) to be eligible to run in non-novice handicaps at The Festival. From 2025, this will be increased to four chase and five hurdle runs.
​This implies all horses must have run four chase or five hurdles, not restricted to novices.
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Yeah I'd agree with you here.
I've emailed Dominic Gardiner-Hill who Is in the Handicapping department at the bha for some clarification.


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Rooster Booster said:
What are people disagreeing with ?
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We believe that all horses require at least 4 runs for the non novice handicap chases and 5 runs for the handicap hurdles.

The BHA rule quoted ie. "All Non-Novices require 3 runs to qualify for a Class 1 or 2 Handicap Hurdle/Chase" applies to all other races away from the Cheltenham Festival.
 
Runragged said:
We believe that all horses require at least 4 runs for the non novice handicap chases and 5 runs for the handicap hurdles.

The BHA rule quoted ie. "All Non-Novices require 3 runs to qualify for a Class 1 or 2 Handicap Hurdle/Chase" applies to all other races away from the Cheltenham Festival.
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Okay who are you disagreeing with
 
BuckingThe Trend said:
Qualifying runs for Festival Handicaps


There has been a lot of questions about the number of qualifying runs required for Festival Handicaps. Below is my understanding of how many runs you need to qualify for each Handicap at the Cheltenham Festival. Happy for some smarter than I to double check and confirm, or correct, as the case may be.

All Non-Novices require 3 runs to qualify for a Class 1 or 2 Handicap Hurdle/Chase.

For Novices the number of runs required are :

Ultima - 4 runs
Boodles - 3 runs (Novice only)
NH Chase - 3 runs (Novice only). 0-145
Coral Cup - 5 runs
Cross Country - 4 runs
Grand Annual - 4 runs
Turners Novice Handicap - 3 runs (Novice only). Not limited to 145.
Pertemps - 5 runs
Plate - 4 runs
Kim Muir - 4 runs. 0-145
County - 5 runs
Martin Pipe - 5 runs. 0-145




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Disagreeing with this, which as said is very similar to what some guy called Jake Price has put on Twitter, pretty much stating it as fact, when it may not be true.
 
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