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Quevega said:
Absolutely aintree could cater for grade ones at all the mid trips. This would entice winners of the 2m and 3m races to race against each other also.

i Wouldn’t be against the novice races at the festival being 2m and 2m 6f either.
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The National meeting already has a:

grade 1 novices chase at midtrip
grade 1 open hurdle at midtrip
grade 1 novices hurdle at midtrip
grade 1 open chase at midtrip

It would not be difficult to amend the Cheltenham/Aintree cards to suit your idea. I think it would solve some of the current issues and improve both meetings.
 
Liammet said:
The stat of a ten year old winning the Ryanair was against Envoi
was only done once before
Out of 27 races at this years festival only one ten year old won and no horse above 10 won
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Probably helped we had no Cross Country also this year.

2023 - Sire de Berlais, Seddon and Delta Work

2022 - Global Citizen, Coole Cody, Chambard and Billaway

All were 10 or above.

So, for the last 3 Festivals, out of 83 races, we only 8 had winners who were aged 10 or more. I’d say going back leaving out races like the Cross Country and the Hunter Chasers, that would be an even stronger stat?
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Garrison Savannah said:
The National meeting already has a:

grade 1 novices chase at midtrip
grade 1 open hurdle at midtrip
grade 1 novices hurdle at midtrip
grade 1 open chase at midtrip

It would not be difficult to amend the Cheltenham/Aintree cards to suit your idea. I think it would solve some of the current issues and improve both meetings.
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:encouragement: Yep, a bonus system would help Aintree a little also.
 
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Most handicaps didn’t even fill this year and that’s including all the novices that ran in them. I think the problem is a lack of quality horses and prize money.
People complaining about getting rid of the turners/NHC but apart from grey dawning/corbetts cross who both would have been competitive in the brown advisory I don’t see many others that would have made the Arkle/banc more interesting. Just because it’s a big field doesn’t necessarily make the race any better! People seem obsessed with big fields even though half of them would have no chance of winning or even placing. Oh it’s got 20 runners but 12 of them I would beat carrying Lobos around on my back. Would all the dross from the NHC (corbetts aside) have made the banc a better race by being tailed off? I think not

I would leave the turners, Ryanair, Gallagher’s etc alone. They’re fine some years are good and some aren’t that’s just dependent on the horses at that time. I’ve also stated before I don’t mind the xc that has now turned into a veterans chase for ex gold cup horses. I was quite looking forward it tbh but maybe that’s just me.

The changes I would make would be to scrap 1 of the ultima/kim muir and combine the two banning novices from entering those. Bring back the novice hcap chase 0-145 and make the Martin pipe a novice only hcap hurdle whilst banning novices from the coral cup.
 
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We are thinking of going somewhere again next year. Spoke about Spain and Portugal but thinks will be heading back to Lanzarote as the weather we had was amazing (lowest 23c and finished the week with two days of 29c)
 
somer1 said:
We are thinking of going somewhere again next year. Spoke about Spain and Portugal but thinks will be heading back to Lanzarote as the weather we had was amazing (lowest 23c and finished the week with two days of 29c)
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You can't go wrong with the canary islands anytime of the year. Was 28 degrees in December for 3 days and 25+ the rest in Tenerife.
 
somer1 said:
We are thinking of going somewhere again next year. Spoke about Spain and Portugal but thinks will be heading back to Lanzarote as the weather we had was amazing (lowest 23c and finished the week with two days of 29c)
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Yep, my friends and I had a great time in Tenerife and will definitely be heading back to the Canaries next year for Cheltenham.
 
Dysart enos being aimed at the top novices hurdle at aintree over 2ms, shes back riding out. Potential clash with Golden ace as Scott is sending her there too.
 
Birds Nest said:
Dysart enos being aimed at the top novices hurdle at aintree over 2ms, shes back riding out. Potential clash with Golden ace as Scott is sending her there too.
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…I imagine there’ll be TWAF offers to consider.
 
That's the benefit, to Aintree, of not having any Mares races over Hurdles or Fences.

These clashes with geldings happen there rather than at Cheltenham.
 
Saxon Warrior said:
That's the benefit, to Aintree, of not having any Mares races over Hurdles or Fences.

These clashes with geldings happen there rather than at Cheltenham.
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Aye I really enjoy Aintree, there’s always a good buzz around the place as well.

Hopefully some horses that missed Cheltenham for one reason or another head there and Hendersons yard can bounce back to form after the bug as well.
 
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Quevega said:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/bri...-on-opening-day-of-the-festival-aMWFd8C2pnwX/

Bollinger

Not just you by looks of it.
It was a blatant lie that the ground was Soft (3.7) though and the going stick absenteeism over the weekend was strange.
Someone's playing games for sure, for whatever reason.

It's almost like "the game" is to take the piss out of racegoers/punters at every conceivable level.
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I called it at the time a week in advance, and I’ll call it again for a final (and frustrating!!) time - betting on heavy ground (with a covering bet on soft at 7/4) at 16/1 was just about the best value market I can think of for many, many years going into the festival.

How any bookmaker had an odds on shot (good to soft at 8/15) being the only ‘runner’ that was of no consequence in the market staggered me.

In 99.9% of any betting markets, you always start with the favourite and work backwards from there. Here, in this rare instance, it was all about looking at the ‘outsider’ and working forwards to the fav, who I felt had very little chance.

A moral victory, if anything. Though a profit made regardless.
 
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Bollinger said:
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In 99.9% of any betting markets, you always start with the favourite and work backwards from there. Here, in this rare instance, it was all about looking at the ‘outsider’ and working forwards to the fav, who I felt had very little chance.

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Interesting comment that Bollinger, knowing you're a bit of shrewdie and seem to have a good handle on value should you not be looking at an event and pricing the market yourself before you see odds available ?
Maybe it's hard to do this with racing as we only really get to know who runs 48 hours out, but certainly all my (gameday) NFL plays I'll do the work first, price key markets I know I can play then check what's available and only bet where there's a difference...
 
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:excitement: They settled Teahupoo as a winner and allowed me to withdraw in the end by the way. Feel I never updated on that one.
 
Quevega said:
That's brilliant and astonishing.
Who regulates these people ?:highly_amused:
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The person on chat clearly has no clue

But 21 horses started the ultima not 22 so that's why it's a loser

You'd think the bloke would've checked that before going on the chat let alone putting it on social media
 
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FinalFurlong91 said:
The person on chat clearly has no clue

But 21 horses started the ultima not 22 so that's why it's a loser
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No clue whatsoever :highly_amused:

That's not a standard rule though is it ? with enhanced places, it just depends on the terms published on the day ?

I assume you know that MGM stated this ?
 
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