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IMO willmount just doesen’t look quick enough or even have a high enough cruising speed to be competitive in a supreme. Looks to me like an Albert Bartlett would suit him as he looks very one paced to me. In both his bumpers to date I don’t think he quickens away from the others and more that he stayed on very well. 66/1 for the AB interests me, yet to take it yet.
 
Nevertoolate said:
IMO willmount just doesen’t look quick enough or even have a high enough cruising speed to be competitive in a supreme. Looks to me like an Albert Bartlett would suit him as he looks very one paced to me. In both his bumpers to date I don’t think he quickens away from the others and more that he stayed on very well. 66/1 for the AB interests me, yet to take it yet.
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Maybe. Breeding suggests otherwise and Nicky just doesn't do Albert.
 
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Lobos said:
Maybe. Breeding suggests otherwise and Nicky just doesn't do Albert.
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Santini & Birchdale I thought of without even looking into it :highly_amused:

Not sure how I forgot about Bob's Worth, either :hopelessness:
 
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Yeah, all right. He's had two or three runners. Let's just say he's not particularly keen on the race . A little like his love for the NHC. Don't think for one minute Willmount has been sent to him to be aimed at the Albert.........IMO:glee:
 
Plus no FJ has ever picked an AP winner of the Albert so it's pointless even discussing that race:eagerness:
 
Lobos said:
Yeah, all right. He's had two or three runners. Let's just say he's not particularly keen on the race . A little like his love for the NHC. Don't think for one minute Willmount has been sent to him to be aimed at the Albert.........IMO:glee:
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The cashel man, Dickie diver, OK Corral, chef des obeaux, mr whipped, constantine bay, baden, out sam, caracci apache, captain cutter, utopie des bordes, mossley all runners for Hendo from 2011 onwards ontop of those that have been mentioned.

He fucking loves the race doesnt he:excitement: Have we just found 1 of our yankee horses?!

In 2018 he ran FOUR!!!​
 
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Lobos said:
Yeah, all right. He's had two or three runners. Let's just say he's not particularly keen on the race . A little like his love for the NHC. Don't think for one minute Willmount has been sent to him to be aimed at the Albert.........IMO:glee:
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I'm unsure on where Willmount will end up but I'd say the main reason to move to Nicky Henderson is to win races, rather than a specific race. If a horse needs the AB trip then it won't win the Supreme and vice versa. The trainer can't mould a horse to win a Supreme if its a slow old boat.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I'm unsure on where Willmount will end up but I'd say the main reason to move to Nicky Henderson is to win races, rather than a specific race. If a horse needs the AB trip then it won't win the Supreme and vice versa. The trainer can't mould a horse to win a Supreme if its a slow old boat.
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Agreed and he's not slow.
 
darlojim said:
The cashel man, Dickie diver, OK Corral, chef des obeaux, mr whipped, constantine bay, baden, out sam, caracci apache, captain cutter, utopie des bordes, mossley all runners for Hendo from 2011 onwards ontop of those that have been mentioned.

He fucking loves the race doesnt he:excitement: Have we just found 1 of our yankee horses?!

In 2018 he ran FOUR!!!​
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Looking at that lot I can see why he should hate the race if he already doesn't......what a desperate bunch of rags !!:welcoming:
 
For what it's worth, I had a look at Henderson's Albert Bartlett trends here.

He doesn't have a great record in the race. But he does tend to show he is aiming horses at it early with race placement so worth watching entries.
 
Thanks for that TGB. Forgot that you did stats on Henderson's. Very informative. Easy to put a line through his in the race then.
 
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Lobos said:
Thanks for that TGB. Forgot that you did stats on Henderson's. Very informative. Easy to put a line through his in the race then.
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Cheers Lobos. Personally on Henderson novice hurdlers I would broadly:

- Back his number one Supreme horse before debut if stable tours, race placement and profile had given me enough clues.

- Only back an Albert Bartlett horse after 1-2 runs if it looked particularly strong contender and not before.

- Not back potential Ballymore horses antepost because that's where he tends to send his lower quality horses unless he has more than one runner for the Supreme or Albert Bartlett with the same connections (like Champ).
 
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Cheers Lobos. Personally on Henderson novice hurdlers I would broadly:

- Back his number one Supreme horse before debut if stable tours, race placement and profile had given me enough clues.

- Only back an Albert Bartlett horse after 1-2 runs if it looked particularly strong contender and not before.

- Not back potential Ballymore horses antepost because that's where he tends to send his lower quality horses unless he has more than one runner for the Supreme or Albert Bartlett with the same connections (like Champ).
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The problem is identifying his number 1 supreme horse. He had everyone believing I am maximus was the second coming the same season that constitution hill won the supreme.
 
I guess that's a lot of the antepost risk. We need to work out the number one but even then the stable might be wrong. Jonbon was likely their number one for the Supreme the season Constitution Hill won. Jet Powered was the number one at the start of last season but didn't deliver. Given his record in the Supreme, I'm willing to take a risk early with good odds if I think I've found his number one. But even then you obviously need to keep an open mind.
 
Lobos said:
Yeah, all right. He's had two or three runners. Let's just say he's not particularly keen on the race . A little like his love for the NHC. Don't think for one minute Willmount has been sent to him to be aimed at the Albert.........IMO:glee:
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He dont have that many AB type horses, but Bobsworth and co prove that when he does have them, hes fine with running them in the race.
If Willmount proves to be one he wont mind running him there.
He might not have been sent him for an AB, but he might have been sent him for future staying chases.
Bobsworth took in the AB on the way to a Gold Cup, maybe Willmount will head in the same direction.
 
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