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Gambles on days like these aren't uncommon.
But Emmett's 2 runners in the final 2 races at Cork have gone short enough.
 
First time I've noticed it, but the RPR's given this season have been subject to change, just for some examples:

Irish Point was given 118 now upped to 121 (it changed after his Royal Bond run I think)
Facile Vega was initially given 122 now 129
Jet Powered was 123 (I think) now 129
Hiddenvalley Lake was definitely not 125, I'm pretty sure it was like 119, looks to have been changed recently.

I can guarantee there are more. Seems like they don't like being wrong so adjust so they look better. I wish they'd have a note to say why they were amended though.

I like RPR's but clearly an issue if they are amending after the event, complete after timing figures.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
First time I've noticed it, but the RPR's given this season have been subject to change, just for some examples:

Irish Point was given 118 now upped to 121 (it changed after his Royal Bond run I think)
Facile Vega was initially given 122 now 129
Jet Powered was 123 (I think) now 129
Hiddenvalley Lake was definitely not 125, I'm pretty sure it was like 119, looks to have been changed recently.

I can guarantee there are more. Seems like they don't like being wrong so adjust so they look better. I wish they'd have a note to say why they were amended though.

I like RPR's but clearly an issue if they are amending after the event, complete after timing figures.
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Just mentioned this in a post on novice hurdle thread. :encouragement:

It's almost like they want them to look better.

Who'd have thought that ? -
From an establishment that wants subscribers/followers ?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
used it three times as it looks new:loyal:
 
ComplyOrDie said:
First time I've noticed it, but the RPR's given this season have been subject to change, just for some examples:

Irish Point was given 118 now upped to 121 (it changed after his Royal Bond run I think)
Facile Vega was initially given 122 now 129
Jet Powered was 123 (I think) now 129
Hiddenvalley Lake was definitely not 125, I'm pretty sure it was like 119, looks to have been changed recently.

I can guarantee there are more. Seems like they don't like being wrong so adjust so they look better. I wish they'd have a note to say why they were amended though.

I like RPR's but clearly an issue if they are amending after the event, complete after timing figures.
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Cheers for highlighting. Seems like lazy ratings. Not a good look.
 
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Quevega said:
Just mentioned this in a post on novice hurdle thread. :encouragement:

It's almost like they want them to look better.

Who'd have thought that ? -
From an establishment that wants subscribers/followers ?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
used it three times as it looks new:loyal:
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Haha, I read your post literally straight after I had posted this.

It's not a great look, is it! Something I will be trying to bear in mind going forward.
 
Good points Quevega and ComplyOrDie It's definitely annoying - not least because it means having to make new notes... I think some of us spotted them unhelpfully upgrading The Nice Guy's debut last season so they have form for doing this but I'd not noticed it to this extent.

I've not noticed them downgrading RPRs yet and I tend to be particularly interested in horses reaching certain levels. So maybe a good point to be careful more with assuming horses have underwhelmed.

FV and JP both still low debuts by standard of recent Supreme performers - it would be interesting if they upgrade again later in the season...!
 
The Giant Bolster said:
Good points Quevega and ComplyOrDie It's definitely annoying - not least because it means having to make new notes... I think some of us spotted them unhelpfully upgrading The Nice Guy's debut last season so they have form for doing this but I'd not noticed it to this extent.

I've not noticed them downgrading RPRs yet and I tend to be particularly interested in horses reaching certain levels. So maybe a good point to be careful more with assuming horses have underwhelmed.

FV and JP both still low debuts by standard of recent Supreme performers - it would be interesting if they upgrade again later in the season...!
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Gaelic Warrior's debut rating is worth monitoring for one that may be downgraded.
Definitely depends on his next run though.

They'd get more respect from me if they applied some sort of system to show that some ratings are subject to revision.

Time form use the p & P system for a reason, specifically useful in relation to horses going up the grades.

Unfortunately though, they are a business and this needs remembering.
They will want as much credibility as possible so it goes both ways (good and bad), but needs to be factored in.
 
Yeah, thought I was the only one who noticed this with RPRs just season they seem to be a lot lower than last season and it ties in with the bumper thread, the highest bumper RPR we've had so far this season is King Of Kingsfield at 122 I think, but last year I think there were multiple horses by now with an RPR higher than that in their first bumper so to be, it they just seem to be being more conservative with them with previous years
 
Zachx02 said:
Yeah, thought I was the only one who noticed this with RPRs just season they seem to be a lot lower than last season and it ties in with the bumper thread, the highest bumper RPR we've had so far this season is King Of Kingsfield at 122 I think, but last year I think there were multiple horses by now with an RPR higher than that in their first bumper so to be, it they just seem to be being more conservative with them with previous years
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I'm not so sure myself. From my notes, only American Mike had more than 120 until Mullins unleashed Facile Vega and Redemption Day at Christmas.

For me, I think there is a decent chance we've not seen the Champion Bumper winner yet. I'll be watching the Leopardstown entries very carefully.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
First time I've noticed it, but the RPR's given this season have been subject to change, just for some examples:

Irish Point was given 118 now upped to 121 (it changed after his Royal Bond run I think)
Facile Vega was initially given 122 now 129
Jet Powered was 123 (I think) now 129
Hiddenvalley Lake was definitely not 125, I'm pretty sure it was like 119, looks to have been changed recently.

I can guarantee there are more. Seems like they don't like being wrong so adjust so they look better. I wish they'd have a note to say why they were amended though.

I like RPR's but clearly an issue if they are amending after the event, complete after timing figures.
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I know they do it every season but as they've gone quite low this year on debut for a lot of the novice hurdlers, they've then updated them once the form has worked out.

I've got a list of the RPRs given to some of the novice hurdlers straight after debut to capture this.

My list from between a week and two weeks ago as I've not had a chance to update:

2m Inothewayyourthinkin 130 (2nd run)
Imagine 135 (2nd run) (128 on 3rd run)
Spanish Harlem 124 (1st run)
Three Card Brag 134 (2nd run)
Hercule De Seuil 135 (2nd run)
Inthepocket 125 (1st run)
Jet Powered 123 (1st run) now 129
The Big Doyen 131 (1st run)
Caldwell Diamond 126 (1st run)
Marine Nationale 118 (1sr run) 125 first run now
Champ Kiely 140 (2nd run) updated to 142 2nd run
Tahmuras 136 (2nd run)
No risk no fun 125(1st run)
Givega 130 (1st run)
Irish Point 118 (1st run) 121 now first run
Itshwatunitesus 133 (2nd run)
Embassy Gardens 131 (1st run)
Path DOroux 123 (1st run) now 125
Invictus Machin 123 (1st run)
Kalanisi Star 125 (1st run)
Amir Kabir 132 (3rd run)
Fenner Cross 129 (3rd run)
Intranet 130 (1st run)

2m4
Grangeclare West 134 (1st run)
Stay Away Fay 130 (1st run)
Champ Kiely 138 (1st run)
Monbeg Park 140 (2nd run) DOWNGRADED 137
Will Do 136 (1st run) DOWNGRADED 133
Seabank Bistro 131 (1st run) DOWNGRADED 128
Authorised Speed 138 (1st run) now 140
Hermes Allen 142 (2nd run)
Absolute Notions 128 (1st run)
Hiddenvalley Lake 119 (1st run) now 125
Dawn Rising 145 (3rd run)
American Mike 136 (1st run)
Affordale Fury 134 (1st run)
Sandor Clegane 127 (1st run)

All 3 downgraded were from the same race.
 
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On Gavins L. new show has anyone else tuned in? Personally I’ve been really enjoying the Cheltenham preview shows with the odds compiler fella. It’s a refreshing angle to hear both sides of a bet.

Miles better info and nuggets relayed compared to upping the ante, chalk and cheese I suppose.

I signed up more so to hear Gavins race reviews and race planning for Chelt more than the antepost selections; as majority of selections are well covered already at bigger prices courtesy of the early season discussions on FJ.

Have split the cost between a buddy of mine, some may see it as bad value but for less than a quid per video all the way to festival I don’t mind it all. (Compared to the price of some other Chelt services such as the one advertised here on FJ.. 500 quid.. must be mad)

I have put it in the same category as the likes of Netflix or tv subscriptions. An entertainment expensive.

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Paul Ferguson's update is out for anyone interested who (like me) often forgets to check their emails. Free to those who purchased the original version I think.
 
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Exar Essay said:
Paul Ferguson's update is out for anyone interested who (like me) often forgets to check their emails. Free to those who purchased the original version I think.
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Is this just for those who bought the digital version?
 
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