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ComplyOrDie said:
The only problem with that theory is that she's already run twice beyond 2m now.

So he's had a change of mind, has he not?
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I don’t think he will have had a change of mind when it comes to Cheltenham next March,

Yes, she won over two-and-a-half miles at Aintree but that trip bears little comparison to the Mares Hurdle on day 1 of the Fez.

She was subsequently beaten over 2m 3f at Punchestown by Marie’s Rock and Stormy Ireland.

I’m convinced Hendo will revert to the tried and tested next March with a horse who was only a 31/2 length runner up in the Champion Hurdle this year.

She’s run 3 times in the CH and never been worse than third.

The only time she didn’t hit the frame at the Fez was over 2m 1f.

Not saying the extra half furlong cost her in the MNH but - can you really tell me one victory over an extended trip on Aintree’s flat track outweighs what she is still capable of over the minimum trip.

I respect your opinion guys but afraid I find the possibility of her going to the MH unlikely.
 
nortonscoin200 said:
Henderson has always insisted Epatante is an out-and-out two miler. Just can’t see anything to make him change his mind.

She’ll have another crack at the CH or she won’t show up, imo.
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This is where I'm at. Don't see her winning Mares at Cheltenham, don't see her going Churdle if CH and Honey make it there unbeaten. Aintree will end up her big target imo.
 
Lobos said:
This is where I'm at. Don't see her winning Mares at Cheltenham, don't see her going Churdle if CH and Honey make it there unbeaten. Aintree will end up her big target imo.
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I don’t see her winning either but I agree she won’t go Champion Hurdle if Constitution Hill and Honeysuckle turn up unbeaten. I do think she’ll go for the mares if it does play out like that.

She has top class Cheltenham form as COD says.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I disagree about Epatante. It was her second try over 2m4f at Punchestown, and she had no break in between. She went Cheltenham, Aintree, Punchestown, all at the top level, Marie's Rock went there on the back of a break from Cheltenham, as did Stormy Ireland.

I'd say Epatantes best form is at Cheltenham, and her Champion Hurdle form (albeit over 2m) is head and shoulders above what Marie's Rock has beat in her career so far. She's won and placed twice in Champion Hurdles. Her close form ties with Honeysuckle have her ahead of the other mares, IMO. I believe the Mares Hurdle last season was a weak enough race, and still believe if Telmesomethinggirl had not been brought down she would have likely won. You bring Epatante into the race and you have that class angle. Brandy Love could also be absolutely anything. Not forgetting Love Envoi, who I know you like too. Marie's Rock is vulnerable this season, if they all turn up.
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Will she stay 2m4f at Cheltenham in a strongly run race?

Her Aintree win was slowly run and turned into a sprint on a flat track

I can't see her getting up the hill over 2m4f at Cheltenham

Tmsg was cruising when she fell but so were queens brook and Marie's rock so we can't say If she'd have won or not

Brandy love for me is the one that could wipe the floor with them

Don't rate Love envoi personally think she won a very poor mares novice. Was firmly put in her place at punchestown.
 
Love Envoi should not be underestimated. She was over the top at Punchestown and is far better than that showing as reported by her connections. She won the MNH very easily even after getting worked up going down to the start and being keen early on. She has a high cruising speed and travels and jumps beautifully. She is very highly rated and they hope to go down the Champion Hurdle route with her next season should she continue her progress. She is a seriously good mare.
 
nortonscoin200 said:
The only time she didn’t hit the frame at the Fez was over 2m 1f.

Not saying the extra half furlong cost her in the MNH but - can you really tell me one victory over an extended trip on Aintree’s flat track outweighs what she is still capable of over the minimum trip.
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She had her jabs late, and from what I remember of the situation they believe it affected her performance. I'd say it had nothing to do with half a furlong.

I'm not saying the Aintree win outweighs what she's achieved over the minimum trip, but she's tried twice to crack Honeysuckle, and failed, her stablemate (Constitution Hill) is the current market favourite for the Champion Hurdle too. She would be the class angle in the Mares Hurdle and her most likely chance of victory.

It's fair to say you don't believe she would get the trip at Cheltenham and I get that angle, but it's nothing to do with Henderson, he's already mentioned the Mares being an option and given her two runs over similar trips previously.
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
Will she stay 2m4f at Cheltenham in a strongly run race?
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This is the one question everyone has, you either believe she will and have her as a bet or you don't and leave her alone, and that I can absolutely understand, but this is the only question mark about her for the race, IMO.

She travelled sweetly in the Champion Hurdle races she's run in and the Aintree Hurdle that I feel if she's played late she can scoot away from them, personally.

Only another 5 months to find out :highly_amused:
 
nortonscoin200 said:
I don’t think he will have had a change of mind when it comes to Cheltenham next March,

Yes, she won over two-and-a-half miles at Aintree but that trip bears little comparison to the Mares Hurdle on day 1 of the Fez.

She was subsequently beaten over 2m 3f at Punchestown by Marie’s Rock and Stormy Ireland.

I’m convinced Hendo will revert to the tried and tested next March with a horse who was only a 31/2 length runner up in the Champion Hurdle this year.

She’s run 3 times in the CH and never been worse than third.

The only time she didn’t hit the frame at the Fez was over 2m 1f.

Not saying the extra half furlong cost her in the MNH but - can you really tell me one victory over an extended trip on Aintree’s flat track outweighs what she is still capable of over the minimum trip.

I respect your opinion guys but afraid I find the possibility of her going to the MH unlikely.
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Interesting Fact for you NC.

The Mares Hurdle at Cheltenham over 2m 4f vs The Aintree Hurdle over 2m 4f.

Fastest Aintree hurdle to slowest 4:48 - 5:10

Although Aintree is often referred to as a flatter track.
The comparative times make interesting reading.

The Mares at Cheltenham is on average ran around 10-15 seconds quicker.

Obviously the greatest horse ever beat 4:48 at Cheltenham four times and completed the course in 4:31 in 2012.

Must be a few little hills at Aintree I reckon.:cheerful:
 
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Quevega Haha - so where will Epatante turn up?

Champion Hurdle
Mares Hurdle
Stay in her box and wait for the mountains of Aintree.

The bet I most fancy is Epatante to place in the CH.
 
nortonscoin200 said:
Quevega Haha - so where will Epatante turn up?

Champion Hurdle
Mares Hurdle
Stay in her box and wait for the mountains of Aintree.

The bet I most fancy is Epatante to place in the CH.
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Loads of factors in play,tand stuff to happen before we get there, that others have mentioned already.

I'd imagine she'd run at Cheltenham though.
In the race they think she has the best chance of winning.
If everyone stays fit and runs to expected form, I'd say the Mares is most likely.
Not sure she'd win though.
She's not a great price now for the Mares, but was just after winning at Aintree.
 
Lobos said:
This is where I'm at. Don't see her winning Mares at Cheltenham, don't see her going Churdle if CH and Honey make it there unbeaten. Aintree will end up her big target imo.
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Guys, this is a no brainier. If Constitution Hill is fit and well Epatante goes for the Mares Hurdle. Henderson has hinted quite strongly about this now on a numbers of occasions.
 
Cheltenham Novice Chase said:
Guys, this is a no brainier. If Constitution Hill is fit and well Epatante goes for the Mares Hurdle. Henderson has hinted quite strongly about this now on a numbers of occasions.
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Yes but why go there if she's going to fade to grey up the hill. Hendo knows the score.
 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but Get Up Mush runs for Dan Skelton at Carlisle today. His only previous race was a 4.5L third place finish behind Better Days Ahead in his P2P.
 
Lbur4288 said:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but Get Up Mush runs for Dan Skelton at Carlisle today. His only previous race was a 4.5L third place finish behind Better Days Ahead in his P2P.
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One to watch, but the fav Maximillian for Donald Mccain is a good one. No Bet for me, but definitely a race to watch with interest. Cheers
 
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I have had an email capping my limit on my hills account and saying it’s preliminary to affordability check. I’ve plenty of antepost son there. This likely to be a problem if it cops?

the amount of info they look for an affordability check going by the FAQ’s is ridiculous.

first email I’ve had like this and that hills account is 18 years old.
 
Ballybeen said:
I have had an email capping my limit on my hills account and saying it’s preliminary to affordability check. I’ve plenty of antepost son there. This likely to be a problem if it cops?

the amount of info they look for an affordability check going by the FAQ’s is ridiculous.

first email I’ve had like this and that hills account is 18 years old.
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I’m trying to get a call back from responsible gambling at 365 this morning as they’ve now limited me to ?250 a month!!!
I wish the responsible shopping police would limit my Mrs sometime soon as we seem to be up to 4 deliveries of clothing a day at the moment!
I've had some funny things going on with my Hills and Paddy accounts recently as I’m doing ok at the moment and awaiting the dreaded email……. I don’t really know what to do to guarantee keeping accounts? Times are changing and it’s quite depressing!
 
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It’s first I’ve ever had so I’m clearly not that successful haha.
 
Noticed CHAPAEU DE SOLEIL is best price 16/1 at Ladbrokes so thought I'd have a few quid on
Don't have a Ladbrokes account so popped to shop whilst I had a spare 20 mins
For some reason the Bumper wasn't on their ante post list, so asked chap on counter, the rest of them seemed to be there and available but no Bumper
Assistant did some checks, even checked website and rang up head office fo rme, they said its an oline price only
Wasted my time and the assistant time, to be fair he was going to give me the bet as he checked online but when asked they said certainly not, online price only !!
BUGGERS !!!!
 
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