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Exar Essay said:
Yeah that was really interesting and shows that there is definitely value backing those who lose. They’re deliberately overpricing them.

However, my view is that AP prices are so short theses days because of cash out. Prices condensed around 6-7 years ago when cash out caught on. If we removed that, the corollary should be increased prices. But we’d never get that.

Frank’s example re French horses for the Triumph is a good one. I get that you could back 5 and cash out the underwhelming ones whereby you’re creating a free shot. And that’s why they price the majority at 12/1 - 16/1 before their UK/IRE debut. However, would he offer 25/1+ without cash out?
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Just mean we can punish them further on the ones that do become overpriced after push out.

See it multiple times this season - Myretown was pushed out too far then contracted again, likewise Roc Dino, sure there will be many many others too.
 
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Hypothetically speaking if Lulamba and Sir Gino win at the festival will that be two big darts at the champion chase for next year for nicky?
 
CJW said:
Hypothetically speaking if Lulamba and Sir Gino win at the festival will that be two big darts at the champion chase for next year for nicky?
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I would imagine if Sir Gino wins the Champion Hurdle he'll be back next year to defend it, and even more likely if Lulamba does the business in the Arkle.
 
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CJW said:
Hypothetically speaking if Lulamba and Sir Gino win at the festival will that be two big darts at the champion chase for next year for nicky?
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Well yes it would.
Being same owners though and the possibility that SG could be a Champion Hurdle winner it would be easy to keep him hurdling.
 
Fair and we're all probably right in thinking he'll defend it, if he wins. I just don't get as excited with Sir Gino over hurdles, shame could have to wait even longer to see him over fences!

Falls in line with the easiest way they could spilt the three main hopes this year, next year is Sir Gino Champion Hurdle, Lulamba Champion Chase, Old Park Star Arkle.
 
CJW said:
Fair and we're all probably right in thinking he'll defend it, if he wins. I just don't get as excited with Sir Gino over hurdles, shame could have to wait even longer to see him over fences!

Falls in line with the easiest way they could spilt the three main hopes this year, next year is Sir Gino Champion Hurdle, Lulamba Champion Chase, Old Park Star Arkle.
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They do want to go chasing with Sir Gino, I have no doubt about that, but it makes no sense to do that if it means they have potentially the 1 and 2 in the Champion chase, and he’s the reigning champion hurdler.
It’s kind of a shame imo, cos I think he’s really exciting and potentially a very serious 2m chaser that could be quite a spectacle.
Great for the owners though
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
They do want to go chasing with Sir Gino, I have no doubt about that, but it makes no sense to do that if it means they have potentially the 1 and 2 in the Champion chase, and he’s the reigning champion hurdler.
It’s kind of a shame imo, cos I think he’s really exciting and potentially a very serious 2m chaser that could be quite a spectacle.
Great for the owners though
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I think they'd campaign them both as chasers myself and Lulamba would likely step up to the ryanair - if good enough, cos I'm not convinced he is. He's very good though.
 
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Quevega said:
I think they'd campaign them both as chasers myself and Lulamba would likely step up to the ryanair - if good enough, cos I'm not convinced he is. He's very good though.
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Tbf, this isn't a bad shout on how they could be split.
 
Oo Ryanair, of course. Sir Gino over fences next season please!
 
When Sir Gino gets beat in the Champion Hurdle then it shouldn't be a question. Thing is we are still asking for 2 horses not only to make it through this Festival unscathed but a full season next year and to both make Cheltenham again. For what it is worth then I agree with Sir Gino CC and Lulamba Ryanair but if Sir G was ruled out for whatever reason then Lulamba would step down, but that is a long way off currently.
 
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Runragged said:
When Sir Gino gets beat in the Champion Hurdle then it shouldn't be a question. Thing is we are still asking for 2 horses not only to make it through this Festival unscathed but a full season next year and to both make Cheltenham again. For what it is worth then I agree with Sir Gino CC and Lulamba Ryanair but if Sir G was ruled out for whatever reason then Lulamba would step down, but that is a long way off currently.
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The original question was hypothetical, in them both winning this Cheltenham.
If SG gets beat then of course it’s a total different scenario.
One would expect then he would go chasing.
They could then split them up of course with the Ryanair as an option as been said.
For all we know though, Lulamba by then could be thought of as just as good as SG.
Anyway it’s all fascinating stuff on what’s to happen and how it all pans out.
 
Gowran could be in danger tomorrow because of all the rain
 
CJW said:
Hypothetically speaking if Lulamba and Sir Gino win at the festival will that be two big darts at the champion chase for next year for nicky?
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Think Lulamba will go up in trip next season myself, Ryanair for now, too soon for the Gold cup, Sir Gino...I'm not sure they'd stay over hurdles if he won, might depend on what the novices look like at the end of the season as to what he might face in another CH, for me he jumps like a chaser now but is quick enough to get away with given whats around over 2m, can see Nicky thinking Gino/QMCC, Lulamba/Ryanair and regardless of the result Old Park Star/Arkle.
Lets hope he has such decisions to make over the summer, he'll be a very happy man if so.
 
Little pre DRF tour at Gordons, couple of words of interest to listen out for..

 
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darlojim said:
Just mean we can punish them further on the ones that do become overpriced after push out.

See it multiple times this season - Myretown was pushed out too far then contracted again, likewise Roc Dino, sure there will be many many others too.
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I have said if for a fair while now, it’s a trend that continues where there’s an over reaction to a horse being beaten, normally first time up

Not saying they will win, but as we well know, value will out in time

Could be the cash out reasoning, either way I’ll take it!

Horses off the top of my head this season inc;
Wendigo
Kargese
Jade De Grugy
jimmy de Seuil?
 
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