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robith said:
Anyone else got the feeling the festival could be a bit of a squib this year?

There's mad amounts of insanely short favs, a lot of the graded races will have small fields, few clashes to excite. Like the most exciting thing currently would be seeing if State Man can challenge the Hill, which seemed unfathomable to me six months ago.

Once it's on we'll have a great time cos it's racing, but on paper atm it feels very weak
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I don't think it's a vintage year by any means

The novice hurdlers look 'ok' with the most exciting being Ballyburn (discussed in the novice hurdle thread in a bit of detail today)

The novice chasers don't have a superstar either, with Gaelic Warrior and Fact To File both beaten along the way, along with Marine Nationale and Facile Vega - so nothing standing out.

The open divisions have CH odds on, El Fabiolo odds on, the Stayers has no Theleme and they may even split the top 2 in the market ..... and Gold Cup an odds on horse.

Ryanair is missing Allaho who was the star of that division


Handicaps are handicaps


Bumper has had bubbles burst, with talking horse Romeo Coolio underwhelming... then the winner at DRF ruled out.





Yeah to be fair, I think you're right.... hopefully not, but..... nothing above that is actually that exciting?

Forgot Sir Gino actually, Triumph looks exciting, a top notch UK horse against an Irish battalion has a certain charm to it.

Mares Novice Hurdle looks exciting, but I've done that to death already today :miserable:
 
I don't think it's a vintage year, but there should be a real mix. The Arkle is a muddle. Supreme and Turners may well have short priced favs in an otherwise poor field. The BANC and Ballymore could produce some quality races and be interesting betting races. The Potato race is the Potato race - who knows. The Triumph is interesting for the reason Q says. A standout fav being hunted by quality animals in their own right. And we all know juveniles often develop late in the season. The bumper is a muddle and another good betting race but average quality. Mares Novice race looks the best for years.

In open company, we may well get to see three superstars in GDC, Constitution Hill, and El Fabiolo. Lossie too looks an excellent prospect. Otherwise, the Ryanair and Stayers both look below par but have interesting betting angles.

I quite like the blend of odds on superstars and intriguing betting races that it could be this year. Also could create some nice opportunities to pair one or two shorties with your fancy in one of the more muddling races. e.g. GDC + Dinoblue + whoever you fancy in the Bartlett.
 
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Can someone educate me please, I've got a number of Ante Post Accumulators where one horse is not declared at this stage. Examples are A DREAM TO SHARE and MISTER POLICEMAN. Is there still time for them to be entered ? Or shall I just ask B365 to write them off as losers and remove them from my list of bets. Guidance much appreciated.
 
BuckingThe Trend said:
Can someone educate me please, I've got a number of Ante Post Accumulators where one horse is not declared at this stage. Examples are A DREAM TO SHARE and MISTER POLICEMAN. Is there still time for them to be entered ? Or shall I just ask B365 to write them off as losers and remove them from my list of bets. Guidance much appreciated.
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They're dead I'm afraid my friend...
 
Istabraq said:
They're dead I'm afraid my friend...
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They might be the most unlikeliest of things to have ever happened but im sure there is still a supplement stage, right?
 
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AaronLad said:
They might be the most unlikeliest of things to have ever happened but im sure there is still a supplement stage, right?
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Yeah correct, all G1s have a supplement stage, but the fact they were both originally entered, then removed, suggest paying for entry at the supplement stage is incredibly unlikely....
 
BuckingThe Trend said:
Can someone educate me please, I've got a number of Ante Post Accumulators where one horse is not declared at this stage. Examples are A DREAM TO SHARE and MISTER POLICEMAN. Is there still time for them to be entered ? Or shall I just ask B365 to write them off as losers and remove them from my list of bets. Guidance much appreciated.
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Good luck getting them to remove them for you, I have the same argument with them every year about that.

Fed up of looking at my accumulators with one 2nd place costing me a few hundred quid
 
Thanks for responding each. So net net it is very unlikely for the reasons quoted above but it is still possible if they suddenly grow wings and start flying at home. So I have mentally written them off but will not ask B365 to remove them as losing bets just yet. Cheers.
 
Joeski29 said:
Good luck getting them to remove them for you, I have the same argument with them every year about that.

Fed up of looking at my accumulators with one 2nd place costing me a few hundred quid
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They have removed a number of my AP bets at my request via Twitter direct mail. You just have to ask them to remove them as losers and not void. They are happy to write them off if you are.
 
BuckingThe Trend said:
Can someone educate me please, I've got a number of Ante Post Accumulators where one horse is not declared at this stage. Examples are A DREAM TO SHARE and MISTER POLICEMAN. Is there still time for them to be entered ? Or shall I just ask B365 to write them off as losers and remove them from my list of bets. Guidance much appreciated.
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I've tried with failed roll up attempts, they're utterly useless when trying to ask them to be removed so you just need to put up with it sadly
 
I I magine it's a pain in the arse for them if the horse returns from the dead and the customer wants to rejuvenate the bet. Doubt it happens often though
 
Hi all, this is a very farfetched question but I figured this is the best place to ask it after all.

Next year I am going to be entering the final year of my computer science degree and with that I get to do my own project with a supervisor and I got accepted by one to do one using AI to predict outcomes of horse races and hence finding value in betting markets using AI. The only problem is that from searching around there doesn't seem to be a whole load of data out there for results of previous races and the best I found was the racing post but would need to get the data manually to train the potential AI and that doesn't seem very time efficient. Cheers!
 
Zachx02 said:
Hi all, this is a very farfetched question but I figured this is the best place to ask it after all.

Next year I am going to be entering the final year of my computer science degree and with that I get to do my own project with a supervisor and I got accepted by one to do one using AI to predict outcomes of horse races and hence finding value in betting markets using AI. The only problem is that from searching around there doesn't seem to be a whole load of data out there for results of previous races and the best I found was the racing post but would need to get the data manually to train the potential AI and that doesn't seem very time efficient. Cheers!
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Odin is your man
 
Zachx02 said:
Hi all, this is a very farfetched question but I figured this is the best place to ask it after all.

Next year I am going to be entering the final year of my computer science degree and with that I get to do my own project with a supervisor and I got accepted by one to do one using AI to predict outcomes of horse races and hence finding value in betting markets using AI. The only problem is that from searching around there doesn't seem to be a whole load of data out there for results of previous races and the best I found was the racing post but would need to get the data manually to train the potential AI and that doesn't seem very time efficient. Cheers!
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https://www.proformracing.com/
 
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Zachx02 said:
Hi all, this is a very farfetched question but I figured this is the best place to ask it after all.

Next year I am going to be entering the final year of my computer science degree and with that I get to do my own project with a supervisor and I got accepted by one to do one using AI to predict outcomes of horse races and hence finding value in betting markets using AI. The only problem is that from searching around there doesn't seem to be a whole load of data out there for results of previous races and the best I found was the racing post but would need to get the data manually to train the potential AI and that doesn't seem very time efficient. Cheers!
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Yeah I think I've got a decade worth of data, maybe a bit more but haven't updated it for at least a year. One of the models I did indicated both il etait temps and landrake could be novice chasers to follow this year... One of those seems to have worked out better than the other, even though I haven't backed either! Send me a DM if you want the data and I'll try find it on my other laptop this weekend.

In terms of the model itself, I'm sure you're aware of this already but remember AI only understands the context you provide it. If you just give it form, it will analyse all form equally which probably isn't appropriate. If you don't give it sire/dam/damsire data it won't consider any of that, draw bias, pace bias, historical horse running style etc. You may still be successful without all that, but if you can put all that together, that's when you're really having fun...
 
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Odin said:
Yeah I think I've got a decade worth of data, maybe a bit more but haven't updated it for at least a year. One of the models I did indicated both il etait temps and landrake could be novice chasers to follow this year... One of those seems to have worked out better than the other, even though I haven't backed either! Send me a DM if you want the data and I'll try find it on my other laptop this weekend.

In terms of the model itself, I'm sure you're aware of this already but remember AI only understands the context you provide it. If you just give it form, it will analyse all form equally which probably isn't appropriate. If you don't give it sire/dam/damsire data it won't consider any of that, draw bias, pace bias, historical horse running style etc. You may still be successful without all that, but if you can put all that together, that's when you're really having fun...
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Hi mate, will ping you a DM now :eagerness:
 
Zachx02 said:
Hi all, this is a very farfetched question but I figured this is the best place to ask it after all.

Next year I am going to be entering the final year of my computer science degree and with that I get to do my own project with a supervisor and I got accepted by one to do one using AI to predict outcomes of horse races and hence finding value in betting markets using AI. The only problem is that from searching around there doesn't seem to be a whole load of data out there for results of previous races and the best I found was the racing post but would need to get the data manually to train the potential AI and that doesn't seem very time efficient. Cheers!
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Sounds very cool!
 
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