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I was wondering ......

.What would you consider to be a fair amount of points lost already at this point ?

I am showing currently a loss of a fraction over 10% (10.25%) of my total point outlay, i am aware that this will get considerably worse the closer we get to the festival

I also have a few horses (JDB, FV) backed in more than one race, which will increase my overall loss when destinations are clear
 
Joleg said:
I was wondering ......

.What would you consider to be a fair amount of points lost already at this point ?

I am showing currently a loss of a fraction over 10% (10.25%) of my total point outlay, i am aware that this will get considerably worse the closer we get to the festival

I also have a few horses (JDB, FV) backed in more than one race, which will increase my overall loss when destinations are clear
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Hovering around the 10% at the moment too

Last 5 festivals have averaged about 15% overall

I have only one Handicap bet so far ( Maxxum )

Usually wait for NRNB for these otherwise the % would be higher
 
Joleg said:
I was wondering ......

.What would you consider to be a fair amount of points lost already at this point ?

I am showing currently a loss of a fraction over 10% (10.25%) of my total point outlay, i am aware that this will get considerably worse the closer we get to the festival

I also have a few horses (JDB, FV) backed in more than one race, which will increase my overall loss when destinations are clear
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I'm happy with anything below 25%. Under 30% is OK but i start worrying a little above that.
 
Joleg said:
I was wondering ......

.What would you consider to be a fair amount of points lost already at this point ?

I am showing currently a loss of a fraction over 10% (10.25%) of my total point outlay, i am aware that this will get considerably worse the closer we get to the festival

I also have a few horses (JDB, FV) backed in more than one race, which will increase my overall loss when destinations are clear
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I would, ordinarily, not want to be above 20%, however, I have started the festival higher previously and still made profit, so I don't worry too much about it personally.

I imagine it would depend on each individuals approach of taking on the festival. I take the scatter gun approach for the most part, I'm happy to chuck a pt or two here or there as a complete punt (and likely lose it a lot of the time), others are a lot more selective so their losses are likely to be a whole lot smaller.
 
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but do Betfair suspend cashout on antepost bets a week or so before the festival, or does it remain throughout it as on Bet365?
 
Joleg said:
I was wondering ......

.What would you consider to be a fair amount of points lost already at this point ?

I am showing currently a loss of a fraction over 10% (10.25%) of my total point outlay, i am aware that this will get considerably worse the closer we get to the festival

I also have a few horses (JDB, FV) backed in more than one race, which will increase my overall loss when destinations are clear
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Less than 15% for me.

Over that I'd start getting a bit aggy
 
Joleg said:
I was wondering ......

.What would you consider to be a fair amount of points lost already at this point ?

I am showing currently a loss of a fraction over 10% (10.25%) of my total point outlay, i am aware that this will get considerably worse the closer we get to the festival

I also have a few horses (JDB, FV) backed in more than one race, which will increase my overall loss when destinations are clear
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I got so lucky here, SportNations demise meant I gor refunded everything ante post and there were some horrific bets in there.
I wrote off 20+ points but got them back, twas a good weekend…
 
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Istabraq said:
I got so lucky here, SportNations demise meant I gor refunded everything ante post and there were some horrific bets in there.
I wrote off 20+ points but got them back, twas a good weekend…
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Haha Nice one :smiley_simmons: :applause: :triumphant:
 
Sprinter Sacre said:
Oh wow so probably around mid-February. Good to know though, thanks!
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I might be wrong but I'm sure we lost them for a short period last year, then regained the cashout because they put the antepost markets back up and had nrnb and antepost markets together for a little while so potentially it's when their market name officially changes (if that makes sense)?
 
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Word of warning for those doing the manual win today and cheltenham bets, by backing “SP fave” along with the same horse to win at cheltenham, I did it with Luccia on her seasonal debut, the bet has now been greyed out on bet365 and potential returns is just my stake. So if you’ve done such bets and are relying on them to get you the return that you want from a particular horse you’d want to be keeping an eye on them, as it’s only happened to me with that bet recently.
 
riccirich said:
Word of warning for those doing the manual win today and cheltenham bets, by backing “SP fave” along with the same horse to win at cheltenham, I did it with Luccia on her seasonal debut, the bet has now been greyed out on bet365 and potential returns is just my stake. So if you’ve done such bets and are relying on them to get you the return that you want from a particular horse you’d want to be keeping an eye on them, as it’s only happened to me with that bet recently.
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Good to know riccirich had one of these myself hanging for awhile with ZTB - managed to cash out for profit on his injury news so maybe it’s something they are only cracking down on now?
 
HesTheOne said:
Good to know riccirich had one of these myself hanging for awhile with ZTB - managed to cash out for profit on his injury news so maybe it’s something they are only cracking down on now?
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I have some others that they have not suspended cash out on, just the luccia one for whatever reason, I’m going to leave the other ones as they are small stakes for fairly nice returns, I kept stakes small for the very reason that this might happen, so if they suspend cash out on all of them it’s not much of a blow.
 
HesTheOne said:
Good to know riccirich had one of these myself hanging for awhile with ZTB - managed to cash out for profit on his injury news so maybe it’s something they are only cracking down on now?
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Not a surprise they are stopping this. Surely they should be settled as an SP x SP double, rather than returning stakes.
 
Apologies I may have spoken too soon, remembered I had one other roll up from way back on luccia so had to do some digging to find it but that bet is also greyed out, so maybe they just suspended cash out on her after being a non runner in the tolworth?

what set off alarm bells for me at first was the fact they were only showing my stake as the potential return for the SP fave + luccia double, whereas usually they show your full potential winnings even on bets where cash out is suspended. I’ll just keep a watch on it.
 
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riccirich said:
Apologies I may have spoken too soon, remembered I had one other roll up from way back on luccia so had to do some digging to find it but that bet is also greyed out, so maybe they just suspended cash out on her after being a non runner in the tolworth?

what set off alarm bells for me at first was the fact they were only showing my stake as the potential return for the SP fave + luccia double, whereas usually they show your full potential winnings even on bets where cash out is suspended. I’ll just keep a watch on it.
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Impossible to show potential returns on an SP bet?

I realise you're talking about the SP part in the past now. So it wouldn't be impossible :beguiled: Not sure if they update doubles with SP and likely returns halfway through the bet? Never placed this sort of bet tbh
 
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Benjy23 said:
Impossible to show potential returns on an SP bet?

I realise you're talking about the SP part in the past now. So it wouldn't be impossible :beguiled: Not sure if they update doubles with SP and likely returns halfway through the bet? Never placed this sort of bet tbh
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I have a few other similar bets with 365 and they are showing my full potential winnings, and the luccia bet was also showing my full potential winnings until cash out on her was suspended, now it only shows my stake.

perhaps it’s nothing to worry about, or perhaps I will only be getting my stake back if any of these bets win, which I couldn’t really complain about as I knew beforehand it was risky, I just used small stakes here and there to give a small few horses a little boost.

It might be nothing to worry about though, but thought worth highlighting for anyone using big stakes on these kind of bets.
 
I had the same happen with a State Man SP fav double and Jet Powered. Both have returned to normal now i assumed it was just the app doing it when cash out is suspended
 
Off to my first point to point of the season today at Easterby HQ, always a top day and a bit of a giddy sign that the big stuff is fast approaching :applouse: Some decent nags on show too by English standards, Dubai Quest for one (last years Foxhunters 4th).
 
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