Cheltz Fest 2021 Behind Closed Doors ?

[Hurricane fly]

I think reason 2 is the bigger risk.

I believe the 2 people who had the reactions are at risk of allergic reactions and carry pens around as a result. They are both already fine aswell.

Rationally the govt can learn from that and continue to give it to everyone with no history of these type of reactions, I can’t imagine it wipes out 50% of the population from being eligible.

I still hold out a lot of hope, however this is one of the few things I’m eternally optimistic about - only just admitted defeat to my Easter weekend wedding. People are back in the stands already, monthly increases perhaps and once you take out the city boys and Essex girls who spend all day in the champagne bar I reckon the max capacity won’t be an issue for racing fans!

 

[jonthehammer]

A lot of people (and practically nearly everyone i know friend and work wise) will refuse this vaccine, Most citing the reason that if they catch Covid they have a 99.7% chance of surviving with their immune system anyway. Not sure how that is for others but its what i am hearing,

 

[Deleted member 4957]

A lot of people (and practically nearly everyone i know friend and work wise) will refuse this vaccine,

Do you then feel that you, and your friends, have a duty to take extra measures to ensure you avoid passing this on to others who are either at the back of the vaccine queue or those, similar to yourself who are refusing to have it....

 

[ryanh97]

Do you then feel that you, and your friends, have a duty to take extra measures to ensure you avoid passing this on to others who are either at the back of the vaccine queue or those, similar to yourself who are refusing to have it....

Ista, as stated previously, I'm not one of the people who wouldn't have the jab, I'd happily have it when I get it offered to me. However, am I right that there has been no proof that the Phizer vaccine will stop transmission? Even the CEO himself said he's not certain it will.

 

[charlie]

To me the government Covid strategy is fundamentally flawed. It's the racing equivalent of a disease breaking out at Philip Hobbs' yard and the BHA decide to restrict all trainers, rather than isolating Hobbs' horses. In Covid terms, the vulnerable people are 'Hobbs' horses'.

Barring the terribly sad hard luck anomalies, the government know who the vast majority of vulnerable people are, and there are roughly 3m of them here in the UK. With a survival rate of 99.8%, roughly 630k of those 3m would very sadly die IF everyone caught covid, which wont happen due to measures, but mostly because of the vaccine.

The question I (and many people) have is why haven't the government focused all their efforts protecting the 3m most vulnerable people? The emphasis has been on restricting the masses to protect the most vulnerable, rather than actually protecting the most vulnerable.

Over 1m people reside in 'contained' settings (cares homes, hospitalised). How much would it have cost the government to properly protect the 400k that live in care homes? How much would it have cost the government to protect the 500k who have cancer? They have spent ?280,000,000,000 (correct, 280 BILLION) in 9 months fighting Covid, and it only takes one glance at the yearly operating budget of the entire NHS (?129bn) to see how reckless and ineffective this government have been.

The government have created a rod for their own back. Restricting the masses and failing to identify and protect the most vulnerable lost the public's trust. Torpedoing livelihoods, businesses and jobs has turned a lack of trust into resentment. Millions of people suffering financial hardship in the wake of colossal ineffective spending further compounds that resentment, and it essentially creates a vacuum where people across the country don't just resent the restrictions, they ignore them. Compliance goes out the window, people break the rules and we are generally left in a complete mess. Thats the fundamental threat to the most vulnerable in society.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

charlie what is the survival rate for people with no underlying health problems? Ive never seen it said but is it in the region of 99.999%, 1 in 100,000?

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[charlie]

charlie what is the survival rate for people with no underlying health problems? Ive never seen it said but is it in the region of 99.999%, 1 in 100,000?

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I wouldn't know pal, but I assume its miniscule.

It's not all doom and gloom. The Lancet publishing yesterday that the The Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is safe and effective, giving good protection, is massive plus.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

am I right that there has been no proof that the Phizer vaccine will stop transmission? Even the CEO himself said he's not certain it will.

I’d like to think the regulators that approved its’ use have ensured it works and is safe.
Also, I don’t have the figures but isn’t the flu vaccine that’s administered annually only around 90% effective.

People can choose not to have the vaccine, that’s fine and their choice, my question is what those will be doing to protect people who want it and are waiting their turn...

 

[Muswell]

Excellent point it’s not you it’s the people you encounter

 

[Quevega]

A lot of people (and practically nearly everyone i know friend and work wise) will refuse this vaccine, Most citing the reason that if they catch Covid they have a 99.7% chance of surviving with their immune system anyway. Not sure how that is for others but its what i am hearing,

Why not ask them, if they'd have the vaccine if they had an immune impaired child suffering with Leukemia ?
Or if their partner was overweight with diabetes ?

I know they are hypothetical.

But it's not hypothetical for thousands of other parents and siblings etc, with whom people who refuse the vaccine for similar reasons may well come across.

There are many other examples of people who are at a higher risk to this virus also.

Whether any of the vaccines stop transmission is not as much as a problem as the virus tends to do more damage when the viral load is greater, meaning anyone with the immunity a vaccine can provide is unlikely to spread much if anything of the virus.

 

[Diamond Geezer]

A lot of people (and practically nearly everyone i know friend and work wise) will refuse this vaccine, Most citing the reason that if they catch Covid they have a 99.7% chance of surviving with their immune system anyway. Not sure how that is for others but its what i am hearing,

And presumably don't care if they pass it on to someone like my other half who has no immune system to speak of.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

And presumably don't care if they pass it on to someone like my other half who has no immune system to speak of.

I wasn't intending on being quite so crude but both you and Q have picked up on the sentiment I was raising.

My wife has lung cancer which puts her in the extremely vulnerable group, she sits at priority 4 on the list and will get called once all key workers, care home residents and those aged 70 and above are vaccinated, we are guessing this will be around February.
What has been extremely frustrating for us is seeing the behaviour of those who either don't care, don't believe or are just ignorant because their age means they will be unaffected, the bahavior of any one of these groups could effectively kill her as the virus would undoubtedly be fatal.
It's bad enough watching these idiots at raves, parties, weddings, street parties etc with no consideration to the vulnerable who, for them, the vaccine will be a lifeline, but I ask myself when the world has role models like Kay Burley, Rita Ora and half the England football team is it any wonder some of the public are as ignorant as they are...

 

[Quevega]

I wasn't intending on being quite so crude but both you and Q have picked up on the sentiment I was raising.

My wife has lung cancer which puts her in the extremely vulnerable group, she sits at priority 4 on the list and will get called once all key workers, care home residents and those aged 70 and above are vaccinated, we are guessing this will be around February.
What has been extremely frustrating for us is seeing the behaviour of those who either don't care, don't believe or are just ignorant because their age means they will be unaffected, the bahavior of any one of these groups could effectively kill her as the virus would undoubtedly be fatal.
It's bad enough watching these idiots at raves, parties, weddings, street parties etc with no consideration to the vulnerable who, for them, the vaccine will be a lifeline, but I ask myself when the world has role models like Kay Burley, Rita Ora and half the England football team is it any wonder some of the public are as ignorant as they are...

Good luck with everything :applouse:
And well said.

Sometimes stuff just needs saying don't it.
And being subtle isn't always the best way to make a point.

 

[Deleted member 4957]

Sometimes stuff just needs saying don't it.
And being subtle isn't always the best way to make a point.

Haha, you have been consistent for 3 years Q and rarely subtle, not that that's a criticism whatsoever...

 

[charlie]

Anyone else isolating from the 11th to protect elderly relatives over xmas?

 

[Quevega]

Anyone else isolating from the 11th to protect elderly relatives over xmas?

I am.
Will be waving to my mum and dad (over 70's) and Gromma (95) from their back garden. :cold:

 

[charlie]

I am.
Will be waving to my mum and dad (over 70's) and Gromma (95) from their back garden. :cold:

Do you need to isolate to wave at them from a distance? Or are you joking with me? I actually do go round my grans and talk to her through a window, but this will actually involve being in the same room so 14 days it has to be

 

[Quevega]

Do you need to isolate to wave at them from a distance? Or are you joking with me? I actually do go round my grans and talk to her through a window, but this will actually involve being in the same room so 14 days it has to be

I get what you mean now,:encouragement:

No, I'll be missing xmas dinner at my mothers, and just me and the wife and my daughter and her other half are having xmas dinner at ours.
I'll drive over and say hello after dinner.

 

[Spectre]

I'll drive over and say hello after dinner.

I'm sure Charlie will save you a mince pie for when you do Q :highly_amused:

 

[ryanh97]

I get what you mean now,:encouragement:

No, I'll be missing xmas dinner at my mothers, and just me and the wife and my daughter and her other half are having xmas dinner at ours.
I'll drive over and say hello after dinner.

Driving... No booze before dinner Q?