• HELP US - Become a Patron - Fat Jockey is a horse racing community focused on all the big races in the UK and Ireland. We don't charge users but if you have found the site useful then any support towards the running costs is appreciated ... a small donation each month would be a huge contribution. Become a Patron!

Cheltenham Handicap Shortlists

ComplyOrDie said:
Tough as nails she is, mentality of her half brother, Tiger Roll. She'll relish the Cheltenham hill, I'm sure of it. Now hope she makes it.
Click to expand...

She might be triumph after that, puts her ahead of Chief Justice, Couer sublime and others from the graded race.
It's those that may head fred winter now i'd have thought.
Couer sublime is obvious fred winter material for me.
 
quevega said:
She might be triumph after that, puts her ahead of Chief Justice, Couer sublime and others from the graded race.
It's those that may head fred winter now i'd have thought.
Couer sublime is obvious fred winter material for me.
Click to expand...

Chief justice had already been hammered by cracker factory twice. Who in turn was hammered by quel destin.
 
Last edited:
I know....
The Irish challenge looks to be from Sir Erec, Tap Tap Tiger, Surin, Babylon and maybe Rocky Blue at a push.
I'll be covering a couple from both sides of the sea.
Like Erec and Tiger though.
 
quevega said:
I know....
The Irish challenge looks to be from Sir Erec, Tap Tap Tiger, Surin, Babylon and maybe Rocky Blue at a push.
I'll be covering a couple from both sides of the sea.
Like Erec and Tiger though.
Click to expand...

Lamarckise has potentially the best form of the Irish. Yet to run yet though. But she's an entry for he spring juvenile.

Eric and tiger tap tap have potential. Alot to learn also in a short space of time.
 
Scooby91 said:
Lamarckise has potentially the best form of the Irish. Yet to run yet though. But she's an entry for he spring juvenile.

Eric and tiger tap tap have potential. Alot to learn also in a short space of time.
Click to expand...

Have you seen the AP prices for the race.
 
quevega said:
Have you seen the AP prices for the race.
Click to expand...

Yes i have. And if i knew she was running there rather than getting a quiet one in id steam in.
She'd have ran today if the ground had a bit of ease.

Plan was to hover over the spring juvenile when / if she won today.
 
quevega said:
She might be triumph after that, puts her ahead of Chief Justice, Couer sublime and others from the graded race.
It's those that may head fred winter now i'd have thought.
Couer sublime is obvious fred winter material for me.
Click to expand...

She's not good enough for the Triumph!
 
ComplyOrDie said:
She's not good enough for the Triumph!
Click to expand...

Who ? Surin ?
possibly not, but the win today puts her ahead on ratings than the ones i mentioned, so I was referring to her being high enough ranked to not have a great mark for the Fred W
 
quevega said:
Update -
FE = now going over hurdles as it looks like after one aborted attempt chasing they've gone back over timber, but potentially still looks well handicapped for a race like the MP (someone mentioned as much on here recently).
DTT = now rated 144, which is perfectly balanced and looks competitive to me on that mark on all form over fences. Entered up at weekend also and be interesting to see how he's handled. Topped up again in any race market for him with WH 27-1.
If he keeps same sort of mark after running at the weekend I'd favour the close brothers and rate him a potential favourite.
Click to expand...

Duca possibly just ruined his mark with that last win today, fingers crossed, he'd probably be competitive in a graded race or in the brown advisory or Grand annual off a biggish weight
 
Moon Over Germany

He has run two eye catching races this season, behind graded horses and looks favourably treated off his mark. He travels strongly in his races and I'm not sure he has been asked for maximum effort yet. Owned by Philip Reynolds, trained by HDB, it looks to me that they'll be targeting the Novice handicap or Grand Annual.

Bet365 are stand out 25/1 for the Close Brothers so I've taken that and will add him for the GA once NRNB is available
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Moon Over Germany

He has run two eye catching races this season, behind graded horses and looks favourably treated off his mark. He travels strongly in his races and I'm not sure he has been asked for maximum effort yet. Owned by Philip Reynolds, trained by HDB, it looks to me that they'll be targeting the Novice handicap or Grand Annual.

Bet365 are stand out 25/1 for the Close Brothers so I've taken that and will add him for the GA once NRNB is available
Click to expand...

Looked at that the other day for close brothers handicap, but the trainer record stopped me short of a bet, and couldn't see why it would shorten just yet.
Even though I didn't look into it (de bromheads record in the race) further than memory, and it's probably not relevant anyway.
I've got it in my tracker for any entries.
could be a player
 
quevega said:
Looked at that the other day for close brothers handicap, but the trainer record stopped me short of a bet, and couldn't see why it would shorten just yet.
Even though I didn't look into it (de bromheads record in the race) further than memory, and it's probably not relevant anyway.
I've got it in my tracker for any entries.
could be a player
Click to expand...

The race of relatively new so Im not too fussed about HDB record.

His next race will be telling, hopefully it's another sighter.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
White Moon - Close Brothers Handicap

A small NRNB cut today by SkyBet and looking at his profile you wouldn't be put off.

Currently rated 143, entered in the Listed Chase @ Warwick on Saturday over a purposeful 3m, he won't win IF he runs (currently jocked up, so no reason to think otherwise), and he won't be dropped more than 5lb by the handicapper, so likelihood is he'll remain firmly within the rating bracket to have a crack at this, Mister Whitaker won last season off 137.

Despite not winning on chase debut he was looking like running a nice race until coming down, I think many on here commented as him being one to take out of the race at the time, but he probably lacks the class to contest the main novice chases, but the handicap route could ensure he at least is competitive at the festival. The fact his debut was at the course is another positive, despite the fall, as he seemed to show a liking, nearing the end of the race, for the uphill finish.

Apologies in advance if someone had already mentioned him for this.
Click to expand...

Ran an OK race today, was up against some very good opposition, suspect connections will drop him back to 2m 1/2 again, and hopefully straight to the festival now, drifted slightly NRNB for this today so am getting involved in that, 14/1 with SkyBet.

Hopefully get another couple of lb's help from the handicapper but probably unlikely.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Ran an OK race today, was up against some very good opposition, suspect connections will drop him back to 2m 1/2 again, and hopefully straight to the festival now, drifted slightly NRNB for this today so am getting involved in that, 14/1 with SkyBet.

Hopefully get another couple of lb's help from the handicapper but probably unlikely.
Click to expand...

He's a horse I like too CoD and have backed him to win any race. Do you think the intermediate trip suits him better? He ran well for a long way but was slightly out of his depth.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
He's a horse I like too CoD and have backed him to win any race. Do you think the intermediate trip suits him better? He ran well for a long way but was slightly out of his depth.
Click to expand...

Could well be a case for the 3m handicap too, but his chase debut, when he was staying on, is, for me, still his best run, prior to his fall, and that was at Cheltenham, so no reason why they won't drop him back in trip after that today. He certainly isn't good enough for the main novice chases though, and they have Lostintranslation for the JLT anyway now.
 
Kevloaf said:
John Constable
County Hurdle

Ran in the CH last season and was rated 156 (achieved that mark for a 'flattering' 1.75L defeat to Buveur D'air the time before)

He's been rubbish since, rubbish... but is down to 139 (runs today)... I'll be keeping a very close eye on him.

He's had a run in too many races to genuinly be gone at the game (mad theory but... if he had no ability, they've have pulled up stumps for the season, or given him a break, instead, he''s going for his 8th run this season tomorrow/today! - to me, that means they've trying very hard to lower his mark ASAP.

Wouldn't be shocked to see him freshened up after today with one race in mind...

I'm half tempted by the 25/1 NRNB on offer already...
Click to expand...



Kev, this has been my take on JC for a while but was very disappointed after his run today, I didn't want him hosing up but I wanted a bit more enthusiasm from him. He looks like a horse who has fallen out with the jumping game. I really don't know what to do now.
 
Kevloaf said:
John Constable
County Hurdle

Ran in the CH last season and was rated 156 (achieved that mark for a 'flattering' 1.75L defeat to Buveur D'air the time before)

He's been rubbish since, rubbish... but is down to 139 (runs today)... I'll be keeping a very close eye on him.

He's had a run in too many races to genuinly be gone at the game (mad theory but... if he had no ability, they've have pulled up stumps for the season, or given him a break, instead, he''s going for his 8th run this season tomorrow/today! - to me, that means they've trying very hard to lower his mark ASAP.

Wouldn't be shocked to see him freshened up after today with one race in mind...

I'm half tempted by the 25/1 NRNB on offer already...
Click to expand...

They were talking him up on the northern gamblers podcast in the week, but as Jon said was disappointing today
 
Diamond King is with Olly Murphy and out over an insufficient 2 miles today.

Would be interesting if he retains his full ability.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom