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Cheltenham Bumper 2019

Scooby91 said:
Race conditions: It is for four, five and six-year-olds which have not run under any recognised Rules of Racing, except National Hunt Flat races, Irish National Hunt Flat races or French AQPS races. Horses are not to have run in more than four National Hunt Flat races and, before February 27, must have been placed first, second, third or fourth in such a race
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thanks for this - we live in hope he comes out soon!
 
jonthehammer said:
Two from the dossier that I have been waiting for are entered for the bumper on Saturday. Thunder Down Under and Andy Dufresne.
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Looked a tricky ride but got the job done today. Need to see him again really.
 
Alph runs today @ Newbury, could be one to keep an eye on, if not for this then the future.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I’ve done some more digging on Master Debonair and I’m going to add him now. I found a quote from Joe Tizzard from his blog which was very bullish

“Master Debonair was another who finished second at the last meeting here, and we’re trying to find out if he’s good enough to be a champion bumper horse. He’s superbly bred, and more importantly he’s a racehorse. He’s sharpened up at home, and I really do like him a lot.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he won here, and if he does, we’d look after him until the Champion Bumper [at the Cheltenham Festival]. We have already schooled him over hurdles, but we do think he’s good enough to go down the Champion Bumper route first.”

Also, I’m a fan of the fact that not only has he ran twice at Cheltenham this season but both runs were in very quick times, even in comparison to some Champion Bumpers on similar conditions.

First race at Cheltenham he was half a length second in a time of 3m55s on Good to soft.
Second race Cheltenham he won in a time of 3m48s on Good ground.

As he tends to race close(ish) to the pace, having the ability to finish off his races in good times at a very young age (only 4) puts the performances in a high rank for me.
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Although he’s unlikely to run again before the festival, there could be some movement in the odds of Master Debonair next week as he’s going through the sales ring at Doncaster on 23rd January. The current owners have a few horses but are not heavy hitters so I assume they want to cash in now. Whoever does buy him they have a ready made Cheltenham contender who has also schooled over hurdles as well. It’s not unheard of for JP McManus to buy horses this close to the Festival so I’ll be keeping an eye on the sales results.

https://www.goffsuk.com/news/master...igh-class-january-sale-p2p-form-horse-session
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Although he’s unlikely to run again before the festival, there could be some movement in the odds of Master Debonair next week as he’s going through the sales ring at Doncaster on 23rd January. The current owners have a few horses but are not heavy hitters so I assume they want to cash in now. Whoever does buy him they have a ready made Cheltenham contender who has also schooled over hurdles as well. It’s not unheard of for JP McManus to buy horses this close to the Festival so I’ll be keeping an eye on the sales results.

https://www.goffsuk.com/news/master...igh-class-january-sale-p2p-form-horse-session
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Interesting angle for sure.

I've backed the horse now, it must be a very tough decision if you feel a horse is good enough to win the bumper to sell it - if he was a really good chance, would they sell after the race?

Should that be a put off rather than a reason to be interested?
 
Kevloaf said:
Interesting angle for sure.

I've backed the horse now, it must be a very tough decision if you feel a horse is good enough to win the bumper to sell it - if he was a really good chance, would they sell after the race?

Should that be a put off rather than a reason to be interested?
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His potential could be worth more than the reality. Right now he’s won a listed C&D bumper in a good time and the form has been franked a bit. The potential is clearly there so he’ll be popular in the ring I’d say.

Alternatively, they keep him for Cheltenham, he does not live up to expectations and his value then drops.
 
Kevloaf said:
Interesting angle for sure.

I've backed the horse now, it must be a very tough decision if you feel a horse is good enough to win the bumper to sell it - if he was a really good chance, would they sell after the race?

Should that be a put off rather than a reason to be interested?
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Not really in my opinion.

My neighbour owned Moscow Mannon- 8/1 shot + finished 5th to Champagne Fever + beat TNO, Jezki + Many Clouds!

They received offers all over the shop + while they arguably went there with a decent chance, they kept him because he was their homebred. Offers over 400k to a pretty normal 40yo man- not mega wealthy by any means.

Sometimes it's better to sell regardless of how positive they are on his chances....i suppose its like on the flat selling a maiden winner that could go to Ascot, you're better getting rid regardless of whether he might be a RA 2yo...chances are he won't be!
 
Yeah fair enough, I've backed the horse already so I'm hoping they would sell a very good one!

I'd struggle to remember any that changed hands then went on to win the bumper but my memory would only go back a few years for this race?
 
jack1092 said:
Moon racer? edit. nope, he wasn't sold while probably in CB market....
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:highly_amused: as well as Moon Racer? The unfancied 9/2f :very_drunk:

No, all fair enough, was just asking the questions for proof but no argument.
 
Kevloaf said:
Yeah fair enough, I've backed the horse already so I'm hoping they would sell a very good one!

I'd struggle to remember any that changed hands then went on to win the bumper but my memory would only go back a few years for this race?
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I doubt there have even been many that have changed hand in recent years, this close to the Festival. Most owners would probably not sell before Cheltenham as they either want to have a runner or, they may have already paid a fair amount for their runner in the first place and won’t be able to make much profit. Master Debonair was a cheapish (by today’s standards) purchase and they have lots of profit to be gained.

Me, I’d keep him and take the chance of Festival glory, especially as there have not been a vast amount of top notch contenders so far.
 
Blackbow is still eligible for the champion bumper, if they so wished.

Wouldn't be able to run in a NHF on the racecourse beforehand.



Race conditions: It is for four, five and six-year-olds which have not run under any recognised Rules of Racing, except National Hunt Flat races, Irish National Hunt Flat races or French AQPS races. Horses are not to have run in more than four National Hunt Flat races and, before February 27, must have been placed first, second, third or fourth in such a race
 
Does he not have to come in the top 4 this season? Or is it just at any time?

I remember Modus and Golsntilla running in back to back years so not unprecedented
 
Has Mullins mentioned it?
 
Kevloaf said:
Yeah fair enough, I've backed the horse already so I'm hoping they would sell a very good one!

I'd struggle to remember any that changed hands then went on to win the bumper but my memory would only go back a few years for this race?
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Didn’t change hands and win the Bumper but Supasundae was purchased before Cheltenham by the Potts’ out of Andrew Baldings yard.
 
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