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Cheltenham 2020 - Ante post bets

Jono that post has me buzzing and has prompted me to follow suit and get stuck into some research! Excellent work
 
Envoi Allen cut to 7/1 any race, the swines!!! Ive been topping up every day at 8/1 + hills boost!
 
Glad to hear it's sparked everyone up

billymag said:
Envoi Allen cut to 7/1 any race, the swines!!! Ive been topping up every day at 8/1 + hills boost!
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Still think there's plenty of value in the 7/1 then Billy? Seems a tad short to me...Trying to remember what price say Samcro would have been at this stage 2 years ago (unknown in september he was 10s any race) albeit EA has taken in the festival bumper so arguably achieved more
 
Right now the golf's over back to business. Great write up Jono. At this still early stage I'm struggling to part with cash on those that dissapointed at the Festival last year. But I've followed you in on Early Doors for the Stayers and Thomas Darby for the JLT (All 365 and cash out)

Also backed Brewinupastorm for the Arkle and a small E/W double with TD. I remember my ears perking up when they mentioned dropping Brewinupastorm back in trip. Despite him performing admirably enough in the Ballymore can't help but feel they were a little disappointed based on how highly they rated him. He may not be top top class but it's possible the drop back in trip over the bigger obstacles brings about improvement.

Am already well involved with Carefully Selected and expect to continue topping up with free bets. Got most of my real money on with 365 for cash out at 25s but had a small top up at 33s with Unibet.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, a good spot by Morley Street regards the Galway Hurdle, Band of Outlaws opened up across the board at 6s but still available at 12s on Skybets NH specials.
 
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Rhinestone_Cowboy said:
Right now the golf's over back to business. Great write up Jono. At this still early stage I'm struggling to part with cash on those that dissapointed at the Festival last year. But I've followed you in on Early Doors for the Stayers and Thomas Darby for the JLT (All 365 and cash out)

Also backed Brewinupastorm for the Arkle and a small E/W double with TD. I remember my ears perking up when they mentioned dropping Brewinupastorm back in trip. Despite him performing admirably enough in the Ballymore can't help but feel they were a little disappointed based on how highly they rated him. He may not be top top class but it's possible the drop back in trip over the bigger obstacles brings about improvement.

Am already well involved with Carefully Selected and expect to continue topping up with free bets. Got most of my real money on with 365 for cash out at 25s but had a small top up at 33s with Unibet.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, a good spot by Morley Street regards the Galway Hurdle, Band of Outlaws opened up across the board at 6s but still available at 12s on Skybets NH specials.
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Cheers for the info. Still up at 12/1 :)
 
Any Race - Battleoverdoyen - Any Race 27/1 boosted with Hills

Have no problem putting his defeat at the festival behind me. I know it’s cliché to say ‘he’s a big chaser in the making’, but it was noticeable last season just how keen Elliott was to stress how his star novice’s ultimate future likes over fences. Novice hurdling was always a stepping stone and Gordon loves this horse. In an ante post market pretty much devoid of value, I think 25/1 plus in the any race market is superb, and it’s only 25/1 because he bombed out in the Ballymore.

I can see him winning a facile beginners chase at odds of 1/8, then be cut massively by the bookies for doing not much more than a schooling session. I wouldn’t be surprised if he then went down the Drinmore route over 2m4f before stepping up to tackle 3m at Leopardstown just after Christmas. I just think it’s worth taking a price now in the any race market.
 
Yeah its certainly getting on pretty short now. I had a max bet on Samcro any race before his hurdle debut and got it on in hills shop half they did at 12/1 and said I could have the other half at 10/1 think that will of been around August time. Envoi Allen has that course win under his belt which Samcro didnt so you could make a case for him being shorter in relation to that Samcro price but Ill be leaving it for now. Got a fair chunk on at 8.68/1 (10 points). Hoping like Samcro he is top notch and there's a healthy media debate about which his best target will be and there is a difference of opinions and I can then lay him for both, like Samcro and make some nice cash.
 
Wow 63 pages already!

Excellent read as always and nice to pop in and see the forum ticking along very nicely in the summer months.

Nothing from me as of yet, started on the 3rd September last year.

May wait a little longer for the stable tours this year......:highly_amused:
 
Malone Road at double the any race price makes more appeal at the moment IMO. I'm still blown away by the speed he showed at Punchestown.
 
charlie said:
Malone Road at double the any race price makes more appeal at the moment IMO. I'm still blown away by the speed he showed at Punchestown.
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I'm much more for the Malone Road price than Envoi Allen too. Not least because I have my nagging doubts about the bumper winners anyway, though if EA turned up in the Bartlett I may look twice.
 
Great stuff on here chaps... starting to get exciting already!!

Surely Malone Road is supreme bound with his turn of foot? 16s with cashout far better then 12s any race
 
I got stand up and fight added to the foxhunters with 365 @ 16s.

Blatant non trier last year and had a very nice spin around for experience finishing the race and jumping well in the main well away from the action. Bolger sign posted that in an interview prior to the festival and I reckon it was with a mind to land an almighty one this year (or so I hope!!!).
Going to build a decent position over the coming months and see if my hunch is right.
 
Blatant non trier? I can't say that I've seen any of them at the Cheltenham festival.
 
The way some of the horses were ridden in the Foxhunters it wouldn’t be an out of this world accusation
 
On paper there's loads to like about a Stand Up And Fight. It wouldn't be a leap to see him improve plenty and when you have O'Connor onboard he can sometimes be enough. The ride was questionable, as was the Punchestown run where the jockeys gave Biddick too much of a lead up front but I expected more. No doubt the trainer is one to give his horses plenty of time but I personally think the 'sighter' quotes are being used to gloss over what was an underwhelming effort. On The Fringe had 2 runs at the festival before bolting up as a 10 year old (and following up a year on). SUAF may well do the same later down the line but I felt OTF showed plenty more in his runs in comparison (where it actually just looked like he didn't quite stay) For me if SUAF were to win this season it's a case of him having to find another level rather than connections just 'holding him back' for the race this year

Not a race I'll get involved in for a while as the vast majority wont be seen until December / January but there's others I'd side with before SUAF (I'd take Shantou Flyer at the same price over him all day long)
 
I don’t get the obsession with stand up and fight
 
The Don said:
I got stand up and fight added to the foxhunters with 365 @ 16s.

Blatant non trier last year and had a very nice spin around for experience finishing the race and jumping well in the main well away from the action. Bolger sign posted that in an interview prior to the festival and I reckon it was with a mind to land an almighty one this year (or so I hope!!!).
Going to build a decent position over the coming months and see if my hunch is right.
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To my mind.
It’s more likely the horse isn’t trying , as opposed to any long term gamble and hiding of his ability. Not sure there’s much value in doing so with a hunter chaser.
 
The Don said:
I got stand up and fight added to the foxhunters with 365 @ 16s.

Blatant non trier last year and had a very nice spin around for experience finishing the race and jumping well in the main well away from the action. Bolger sign posted that in an interview prior to the festival and I reckon it was with a mind to land an almighty one this year (or so I hope!!!).
Going to build a decent position over the coming months and see if my hunch is right.
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Been said by many and I don't have a strong enough view that agrees/disagrees, but there was nothing wrong with the winner that day and everything else has to improve plenty if they're to wrestle the crown from Hazel Hill and making a strong case for a 16/1 shot against a solid proven 10/1 shot isn't necessarily for me.
This is one race I will consider backing horses of a double digit age and at 12 come March I expect to have plenty in the tank.
Quick ground might change things though....
 
In regards to the fox hunters, I think the absolute bet at this point is Hazel Hill who beat them all fair and square, is extremely consistent and has one big race target next season - to defend his crown.

At 10/1, he’s absolutely the play and I’ve had a few free bets on him already.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
In regards to the fox hunters, I think the absolute bet at this point is Hazel Hill who beat them all fair and square, is extremely consistent and has one big race target next season - to defend his crown.

At 10/1, he’s absolutely the play and I’ve had a few free bets on him already.
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Yeah I agree with you and with what Ista said here.

I think I suggested Hazel Hill for the last yankee with his string of 1s! (haven't backed him in a single yet) but that is a 'yet' - because I definitely will.


I personally think way too much is being made of the SUAF "sighter", now obviously he's a 16/1 shot so I'm not going to be making money playing at 1/16 to be proved right or wrong - but my opinion hasn't changed since the race - he was disappointing. The thought he has been laid out as some sort of 'plot' is way off.

I very much echo the above..... he isn't value at 16/1 when the winner is available at 10/1
 
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