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Cheltenham 2018 Ante post bets

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Buveur D'air CH
Altior CC
CoC Cross Country
Nichols Canyon Stayers
Our Duke Gold Cup

Pays over 30k :triumphant:
 
i have read all the comments and find it not to be impressed by Our Duke, all valued and valid opinions, I still have a feeling too for Josies Orders to come back fighting fit for the Cross Country, what's peoples thoughts?
 
Josies deserves respect for sure. Would want to see a competitive run but would certainly command respect
 
I just think 10s could be a huge price for a horse that as you say has to be respected. But I agree could do with a run to see how horse is doing
 
If Josies Orders comes back in the same form before his injury then he'd be a big player. He was clear first choice for Bolger at the start of last year despite Cantlows improvement. Very little was reported on his injury (does anyone know?) but he did say he'd be back the following season.

The Cross Country market changes very little outside of the 3-4 prep races (Cheltenham Nov/Dec and Punchestown Feb) so best advice is to wait and see if he gets entered and declared for the Open meeting at Cheltenham in November and if he does back before/straight after that race (which is likely what i'll do each way)
 
I haven't heard anything on the injury, but Bolger did say will be back next season. So fingers crossed all goes well
 
I'd much prefer to take 9/1 Cause of Causes than 10/1 Josie's Orders.

CoC, a three time festival winner and reigning x country champ, versus a horse who lost against a 13(?) year old the last time he ran at the festival and has been off the track for a season.

It's a no brainer to me.
 
I'd much prefer to take 9/1 Cause of Causes than 10/1 Josie's Orders.
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I'd be interested with JO as an each way alternative if he lined up come the Winter and was still 10/1 but yeah in terms of the value 100% agree

The other thing to consider with Cause of Causes is quite often you see high class horses come into the Cross Country sphere later on in their careers but make minor if any impact. See On His Own and First Lieutenant as 2 examples. It's often best to avoid these types of horses as despite their class and previous exploits, they are in decline and you're best sticking to a horse who although wouldn't have hit the same heights in graded/top races - are proven cross country specialists. CoC is different in that he has taken to the Cross Country races. Right now he just is a level above the field
 
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The worry would be (as I think ISta mentioned) they might set their sites a little higher and have a go at the Gold Cup? I can't see it myself because owners/jockey/trainer will all want another 'winner' but it has stopped me ever so slightly with a nagging doubt?
 
My summer treble:-

Buveur D'air 4/1 Champion Hurdle
Altior 5/4 Champion Chase
Cause Of Causes 9/1 Cross Country
 
I've got a sneak they'll aim higher for C of C.
He's arguably improved since his 4m win, at the very least the 3m handicap is a live target but with stamina his forte I wouldn't be surprised to see him aim at the blue ribband, and being owned by JP you'd expect him to fire a few darts at the race....
 
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I've got a sneak they'll aim higher for C of C.
He's arguably improved since his 4m win, at the very least the 3m handicap is a live target but with stamina his forte I wouldn't be surprised to see him aim at the blue ribband, and being owned by JP you'd expect him to fire a few darts at the race....
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I think the Grand National will be the big aim again. Surely if he was going to be a Gold Cup horse it would have happened before now. It would be some story though if his fourth different winning race at the festival was the Gold Cup.
 
You're probably right FM but they can use the Gold Cup as a stepping stone to Aintree, Mon Mone did it (the year after he won to be fair).
He probably lacks the class the win the race but there's about £60k for finishing third, £30h for fourth and £15k for fifth.
I could be way off mark but he'll be 10 come March and this season marks the last realistic opportunity he has for a Gold Cup tilt, I just think that's where they'll aim...
 
Could happen. I think if the GN is the aim they can take in a 4th festival win (cross country) as prep.

JP has Minella Rocco and Coney island? You're absolutely right though he would fire now more than one dart
 
Fayonagh.... Supreme 14/1, Mares Novice 6/1, Neptune 16/1? Any Race 4/1?

Most winners of the Punchestown Bumper have run in the Supreme but the Mares Novice wouldnb't have been an option for many?
 
Apologies for my silence... I've gone a bit "cold turkey" since a bad festival (from a punting perspective) - but starting to crave contact with like minded National Hunt fans once more!
With my small Free Bets, I've had nibbles at Cause of Causes for the X-Country (8's), Our Duke for the Gold Cup (12's) and The Worlds End for the Stayers Hurdle (14's)

Nice to see that I'm not alone with CoC and OD.

Not gone in on the double just yet - but sorely tempted.

This early, surely the only play for ANY novice is the "Any Race" market and only if the price is tempting. It's uncertain enough that they will be fit and firing in 9 months time, let alone choosing the correct race of 3 (sometimes 4) options.

I'd rather have Samcro @ 7's than Fayonagh @ 4's at this stage. (Any Race)
 
Yeah I agree Leman, unfortunately there is absolutely no juice in the price of Fayonagh. She isn't even certain to go offf shorter than 4s in any of the races... Better 4/1 shots every day of the week.
Impressive though watching her runs again... had a fairly average (and very lucky) Ascot so watched some Cheltenham to remind myself that I do sometimes know what I am doing :devilish:

Going to go to Haydock 15th November for the first part of the triple crown... Hope Sizing John, Coneygree and a couple of others turn up! Bristol De Mai probably will!

I want to start putting a fortune on Buveur D'air as a single...

DDS 8/1 - 5 yo, might not have as much improvement as you'd expect, as he had a lot of runs... respected but might go chasing anyway!
Faugheen - 10/1 - won't run again
Yorkhill - far from a certain runner (although I think he will) but if he doesn't, next in the betting is Annie Power (already retired) haha
Apples Jade - Will not be going here.... Mares or Stayers for sure.
Neon Wolf (Chasing), Limini (Not up to this level... mares), Min (Already gone chasing... not sure to come back), Melon (Wasn't a standout novice hurdler and might go chasing)...
I can't think of anything else ... Charli Parcs was exciting to me but I'd want to see that before I got excited again, would need a lot of improvement
Cilaos Emery 25/1 ... Won at punchestown, reversing supreme form with Melon.... I mean, nothing to go over board about

Haven't backed as a single, as he won't be shortening until October... but I want to :highly_amused:
 
I think The any race bet is where I will use my free bets for a while

I've requested odds because I can't find any but I would think Getabird will be around the 12s mark for any race

Given what an overwhelming favouriye for the bumper he was turning out to be will this not become a novice race hot pot?

Another horse I've seen in the market is OK Corral, came second in a punchestown bumper to Yorkhill two years ago, off the track before cantering to a novice win in May. Wears green and gold so a potential handicap surprise?


Kevloaf - any worry about Arctic Fire?
 
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Haha long way off to be thinking about handicap surprises... the green and gold are always overbet in such races anyway.... (Can't wait for De Name Escapes Me to run again!)

I didn't go down to 33/1 ... but Arctic Fire would actually interest me more than any above.

A previous closing 2nd to Faugheen, come back and peak at Cheltenham again to win the County off top weight? Interesting indeed...
 
At 33s I've put a little(and I mean a little) on him e/w. Assuming he wins his reappearance he will be 1/3rd the price.

I got a little giddy win when Mulljns mentioned the flat as a possibility, no doubt in my mind he would have destroyed the gold cup
 
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