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Champion Hurdle 2027

Not only did she not finish a mile off Constitution Hill despite struggling early, this was at a track that is well known to be quick. Comparing Kempton and Cheltenham is chalk and cheese, IMO.
 
Any chance we might see Kopek des Bordes switch back to hurdles if he fluffs his lines today? Wasn't he the highest rated Supreme winner ever (going into the race) or something like that? Can't remember exactly what the stat was.
 
Can see her getting beat by BDA again this season which is fine by me as I'll just go in again when they push her out. She is a stone better at Cheltenham than anywhere else. That's all that counts.
 
Any chance we might see Kopek des Bordes switch back to hurdles if he fluffs his lines today? Wasn't he the highest rated Supreme winner ever (going into the race) or something like that? Can't remember exactly what the stat was.
Every chance I'd say. Don't think he will fluff his lines today though. Reckon he'll go fav for the CC after today's race. He had an incredibly rushed preparation for the Fez and then was unlucky to fall at Punch when he was about to open up and pull away. Hoping we'll see the real superstar we've all been waiting for this afternoon.
 
She can also get taken off her feet like we seen in Christmas Hurdle
That was her first run at 2m in an open grade 1, and she was up against the best of his era on a speed track. Since then she has been trained as a 2 miler as opposed to the 2 1/2 miler she was before.
 
But waited 6 runs after the Xmas hdle to do so?

Don't buy that was the reason for her in the Xmas hdle - just think she ran below par, one of very few days in her career she didn't perform
Next race ran over 2m4f, next race 2m4f, made all in a poor Morgiana, December Hurdle wasnt strongly run, Irish Champion strongly run and came second, lacked concentration early, cherkpieces added for Champion Hurdle.
 
'Mullins admitted concerns pre-race about Lossiemouth's tendency to idle early in races, adding cheekpieces to sharpen her up in what he expected to be a fiercely run renewal from the tape.'

Townend said the same. If you think they are bullshittin then fair enough thats your opinion. You can see from the Christmas Hurdle and Irish Champion Hurdle why they went with them so i tend to believe them. Anyway CH was ran at a doodle so it never mattered.
I'd partly agree on the concentration element.
But like jim says, they are not metronomes and when running against horses of similar ability they'll get beat for various reasons.
Fitness on the day, positioning, jumping and pace of the race are all factors.

The jockey is there to help gee them up at the start and get a good position.
So he's opted to hold back as a tactic cos he thinks the pace is too strong.
He certainly made no effort or asked for more from her in the Irish Champion until the home bend.

She definitely has the speed otherwise she would not have the turn of foot people mentioned when winning the Champion this year off a steady gallop.

It was the "taken off her feet" comment that started this :LOL:
 
That was her first run at 2m in an open grade 1, and she was up against the best of his era on a speed track. Since then she has been trained as a 2 miler as opposed to the 2 1/2 miler she was before.
Not disagreeing with any of that but she lacked concentration early in strongly run races. She was taken off her feet at the start of the race. Mullins admitted thats why the cheekpieces went on because she idled through first few furlongs in strongly run 2m races. The Christmas Hurdle is one example and the Irish Champion Hurdle before the festival was another.
 
I'd partly agree on the concentration element.
But like jim says, they are not metronomes and when running against horses of similar ability they'll get beat for various reasons.
Fitness on the day, positioning, jumping and pace of the race are all factors.

The jockey is there to help gee them up at the start and get a good position.
So he's opted to hold back as a tactic cos he thinks the pace is too strong.
He certainly made no effort or asked for more from her in the Irish Champion until the home bend.

She definitely has the speed otherwise she would not have the turn of foot people mentioned when winning the Champion this year off a steady gallop.

It was the "taken off her feet" comment that started this :LOL:
Well if shes not concentrating at the start she gets taken off her feet by the early pace in a strongly run race
 
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Next race ran over 2m4f, next race 2m4f, made all in a poor Morgiana, December Hurdle wasnt strongly run, Irish Champion strongly run and came second, lacked concentration early, cherkpieces added for Champion Hurdle.
Her five highest RPRs all came last season over 2m. Three of those runs without cheekpieces. She has been trained to be a 2 miler and was better than ever last year. She was 4-5lb better with the cheekpieces on so could argue they improved her slightly, though she is also a mare who seems to improve at Cheltenham anyway.
 
Well if shes not concentrating at the start she gets taken off her feet by the early pace in a strongly run race
I'm ok with not concentrating at the start, jockey and horse mind you.
But I'd not use the term taken off her feet.
It implies she simply can't go the early pace. IMO

And like I said, that's what started all this.
Been fun though (y)
And a lot of what you've said since has made sense.

I also might have been harsh with the Bullshit comment, let me take it back and say part or potential bullshit.
I'm just of the opinion like Lobos says, that she was always going to do that cos she's much better on that course than the others.
Which is why I doubt the cheekpieces added that much.
 
Her five highest RPRs all came last season over 2m. Three of those runs without cheekpieces. She has been trained to be a 2 miler and was better than ever last year. She was 4-5lb better with the cheekpieces on so could argue they improved her slightly, though she is also a mare who seems to improve at Cheltenham anyway.
She would have won with or without cheekpieces as it wasnt run strongly imo. She was able to quicken up the end. Mullins was worried enough about it being run strongly to put them on. Everyone has opinion its why this game is so great 👍
 
A good example of a horse losing a champion hurdle because of poor positioning at the start is when Hurricane fly got beat by Rock on Ruby.
One of Walsh's worst rides.:mad:
 
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A good example of a horse losing a champion hurdle because of poor positioning at the start is when Hurricane fly got beat by Rock on Ruby.
One of Walsh's worst rides.:mad:
Somehow I was on ROR at huge odds that season so was quiet happy when the Fly got turned over.
 
Brighterdaysahead pushed out to 33/1 with Bet Victor.
 
Ffos las or Cheltenham depending on the ground. I presume they want good ground which might mean Cheltenham - which would be good news for those going next week.
You talking bout the same horse ?