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Champion Hurdle 2019

Champion Hurdle 2019


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Laurina being aimed at the Ascot Hurdle I think in a couple of weeks time.

Kiss of death, only Faugheen managed to do the double:confused:

Ascot Hurdle is a pointer for stayers

2017 - Lil Rockerrubbish
2016 - Yanworth (hilariously out paced over 2miles)
2015 - Rock on Ruby at 10 (won the CH in 2012 so was getting on a bit)
2014 - Faugheen - Stayer :highly_amused: Absolute freak of a horse.
2013 - Annie Power - went on to run in the Stayers Hurdle that season (2nd)
2012 - Oscar Whiskey - famously not a 2 miler (or a 3 miler to be fair)
2011 - Overturn - Ha.
2010 - Silviniaco Conti - Obviously a stayer


archie, doc, Ista, - Laurina surely NO CHANCE too?! based on your "trial race stats" :devilish:

She's also have zero percent chance in the Mares race as no horse has EVER been a mare and won the Mares race in the same season? :highly_amused:



I've not even started drinking yet ;)
 
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Laurina being aimed at the Ascot Hurdle I think in a couple of weeks time.

Of course. Forgot they earmarked that, cheers Innoko. Even better than - her run sandwiched inbetween the others.

On Supasundae when I say confirmed - I say that loosely however...

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And in a recent stable tour : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6BpD2wPlg admits she got his trip wrong last year. Add to that the views of Robbie Power last year and that to me is all but confirming this race is the plan.
 
Yeah fair enough jono - 20/1 is tight enough but can see your point. Certainly can hold his own in 2 mile hurdle races.
 
What do we have left to come out and play now?

Summerville Boy (cut to 10s today by Slybet?)

Last years 1 and 2 in Buveur D'air and Melon

Then Laurina and Supasundae in Ireland... both have potential other engagements at the festival?

Is the 33/1 about that bad each way for If The Cap Fits with 365 (cashout available to react to his next run?)

Hi Kev,
The chances of ITCF lining up in the CH must be 33/1 Imo
 
Next Sunday is the Morgiana so we'll have Samcro vs Melon vs Supasundae

2 weeks later on Saturday 1st will be the Fighting Fifth which will have Buveur D'Air vs Summerville Boy

That looks to be pretty much it? So we'll have seen what appears to be the main players in 3 weeks time bar Laurina who I think will be kept away from the big races early on

Think I posted about him in the first few pages in the thread but Supasundae has been confirmed by Harrington that he'll have a CH campaign this year. If I was to back a horse EW right now - I'd rather be taking 20/1 EW with him than 33/1 EW ITCF's

I personally think supasundae will show throughout the season that he'll have more chance at the festival over further than 2 and rather than finish midfield in a CH will end up back in the stayers.
 
Be decent over a fence ;)

I was anticipating him going over fences myself COD, actually requested the Arkle price from bet365 was surprised with Harrys plans. He's a strapping sort who has always given his hurdles too much air. He was crying out for a fence in the future...
 
ITCFs wasn't hard pushed today for me. Probably still a lot to prove but wasn't a bad comeback vs a race fit mare, who is very good when getting her ground. WHAD was also ok today, Henderson said he probably needed the run, and considering he did the donkey work, it wasn't a bad start in open company. Stepping up in trip probably rules him out here, but i wonder if he could become a WH contender....The typical 4yo thing puts me off.
 
Verdana Blue was a 146 horse going into today. You would have to be taking form lines of we have a dream ( or kevs horse&#55357;&#56853;) to give any of them a sniff.
 
I personally think supasundae will show throughout the season that he'll have more chance at the festival over further than 2 and rather than finish midfield in a CH will end up back in the stayers.

Two and a half miles he’d be very hard to beat. At 3 miles he’s not quite got enough stamina, even on better ground but would place for sure. At 2 miles I do not think he’d even place most years.
 
I think Melonis the ew bet of the race @10/1. After finally riding the horse prominently he proved to be what myself & Kev thought he was last season. :devilish::highly_amused: Little plug for you Kev as we stood by him when all around were laughing.
 
I think Melonis the ew bet of the race @10/1. After finally riding the horse prominently he proved to be what myself & Kev thought he was last season. :devilish::highly_amused: Little plug for you Kev as we stood by him when all around were laughing.

He probably gets beat a couple of times before Cheltenham so you're likely to get bigger than the 10/1 at some point Doc. A typical, strongly run, champion hurdle is what Melon needs and he probably doesn't get that type of race until March.
 
I believe class horses are able to cope with different trips, and I think the form of Melon last season and the weak start all the fancied second season novices have made leave the big 2 mile hurdle races for the taking.
Supasundae is a real threat in the Morgiana and I think will win.
And may also take the Irish Champion.
At Cheltenham though I'd expect Melon to do better and possibly Samcro.
But if Supasundae does win over 2 miles a couple of times then they'll definitely go chamion hurdle with him
She's no mug Jessie, and it was no surprise she tweeted that.
He only won twice last season and both over 2 miles, in well run races (from memory) the second race fell apart a bit with the falls but the form of the Irish Champion Hurdle is rock solid. Faugheen was probably not far off his best either (in hindsight).
 
I believe class horses are able to cope with different trips, and I think the form of Melon last season and the weak start all the fancied second season novices have made leave the big 2 mile hurdle races for the taking.
Supasundae is a real threat in the Morgiana and I think will win.
And may also take the Irish Champion.
At Cheltenham though I'd expect Melon to do better and possibly Samcro.
But if Supasundae does win over 2 miles a couple of times then they'll definitely go chamion hurdle with him
She's no mug Jessie, and it was no surprise she tweeted that.
He only won twice last season and both over 2 miles, in well run races (from memory) the second race fell apart a bit with the falls but the form of the Irish Champion Hurdle is rock solid. Faugheen was probably not far off his best either (in hindsight).

Did the ground not contribute to supasundae over 2 miles. I'd have thought he'd be left for dead over 2m on spring ground before staying on late again.

Obvioisly I can't guess the ground. Although it's usually gd to soft.
 
Kev, without wanting to sound patronising, rather than dashing off several hundred words of deathless prose, if you'd taken the time to read my posts properly you'd have noticed that I said that stats are one of the weapons in your armoury and that you need to drill down to explain them.
I gave you the starter for ten that Irish trainers win approx half of the Champion Hurdles and, as they have their own race at Down Royal for the early starters, it's unlikely that they'd bother with Wincanton. Henderson has a proven preference for the Fighting Fifth for his better prospects so his unproven horses are likely to go for the Elite and avoid the likes of BDA. I'd suggest that no horse winning this and going on to take the Champion Hurdle in over 25 years is, indeed, worthy of the description, 'kiss of death'. However, last time I looked I wasn't holding a gun to anyone's head.

As for the Ascot race, as it's over two and a half it's not such a natural starter for Champion Hurdle contenders and you see the likes of Baracouda, Monet's Garden and Silviniaco Conti amongst previous winners. However, you also see Gaye Brief, Dawn Run and Morley Street so there is at least some slack to be cut in those stats.

Everyone should go with their instincts in what and how they bet. I hardly ever do a book on a race and it's ironic that last season's Champion is the only time I can remember doing one. Because I knew from an early stage (and said so on here) that Melon was a definite intended runner, I had him ew at 16/1. I also had Faugheen 4/1 NRNB when he made his comeback and 5/1 BDA when he drifted out at around the same time. Never had another bet on the race after that.
 
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Did the ground not contribute to supasundae over 2 miles. I'd have thought he'd be left for dead over 2m on spring ground before staying on late again.

Obvioisly I can't guess the ground. Although it's usually gd to soft.

It was only Soft, so I'd say No,
I wouldn't expect Supasundae to win the Champion Hurdle anyway though, but softer ground would help.
I think if you look at his form last year properly and how he was able to travel in the races, he proved that he can go any trip but he's probably more competitive at 2 miles, due to the opposition being low in numbers and class.
He does get nudged back on bridle an bustled up sometimes but he looks so strong at the finish (it might just be concentration).Jockey would be best to ask, and I'm pretty sure he's suggested they stay 2 miles most of the season.
I've just taken a view that I'll back him in the Morgiana and then if that goes well will continue to do so, but probably not in March (for win purposes at least).
 
Kev, without wanting to sound patronising, rather than dashing off several hundred words of deathless prose, if you'd taken the time to read my posts properly you'd have noticed that I said that stats are one of the weapons in your armoury and that you need to drill down to explain them.
I gave you the starter for ten that Irish trainers win approx half of the Champion Hurdles and, as they have their own race at Down Royal for the early starters, it's unlikely that they'd bother with Wincanton. Henderson has a proven preference for the Fighting Fifth for his better prospects so his unproven horses are likely to go for the Elite and avoid the likes of BDA. I'd suggest that no horse winning this and going on to take the Champion Hurdle in over 25 years is, indeed, worthy of the description, 'kiss of death'. However, last time I looked I wasn't holding a gun to anyone's head.

As for the Ascot race, as it's over two and a half it's not such a natural starter for Champion Hurdle contenders and you see the likes of Baracouda, Monet's Garden and Silviniaco Conti amongst previous winners. However, you also see Gaye Brief, Dawn Run and Morley Street so there is at least some slack to be cut in those stats.

Everyone should go with their instincts in what and how they bet. I hardly ever do a book on a race and it's ironic that last season's Champion is the only time I can remember doing one. Because I knew from an early stage (and said so on here) that Melon was a definite intended runner, I had him ew at 16/1. I also had Faugheen 4/1 NRNB when he made his comeback and 5/1 BDA when he drifted out at around the same time. Never had another bet on the race after that.

Deathless prose means deadly boring, or bad writing does it not?:highly_amused:

You haven't responded to my reply about your original post, you've just repeated the thing you said first time around. Part of my "drilling down" in to the stats is exploring(and dismissing in cases) why they may be nonsense. I feel I did that in my 'deadly boring post'. Just because you disagree with that doesn't make your way of thinking right does it?

You look at racing a different way to most on here as you are an owner not a punter (kudos to me for actually reading one of your posts hey?) - I think it's very easy to sit at your keyboard, knocking people's ante post bets rather than putting them up yourself. I don't believe I'm holding a gun to anyones head to make them have a bet either, each to their own - but it's easier on one side of the fence that the other.

I think it's great having you on the forum as you offer a different view that I usually wouldn't have access to, which I use to my advantage - sorry if I can't return the favour and bore you :p
 
Kev, without wanting to sound patronising, rather than dashing off several hundred words of deathless prose, if you'd taken the time to read my posts properly you'd have noticed that I said that stats are one of the weapons in your armoury and that you need to drill down to explain them.
I gave you the starter for ten that Irish trainers win approx half of the Champion Hurdles and, as they have their own race at Down Royal for the early starters, it's unlikely that they'd bother with Wincanton. Henderson has a proven preference for the Fighting Fifth for his better prospects so his unproven horses are likely to go for the Elite and avoid the likes of BDA. I'd suggest that no horse winning this and going on to take the Champion Hurdle in over 25 years is, indeed, worthy of the description, 'kiss of death'. However, last time I looked I wasn't holding a gun to anyone's head.

As for the Ascot race, as it's over two and a half it's not such a natural starter for Champion Hurdle contenders and you see the likes of Baracouda, Monet's Garden and Silviniaco Conti amongst previous winners. However, you also see Gaye Brief, Dawn Run and Morley Street so there is at least some slack to be cut in those stats.

Everyone should go with their instincts in what and how they bet. I hardly ever do a book on a race and it's ironic that last season's Champion is the only time I can remember doing one. Because I knew from an early stage (and said so on here) that Melon was a definite intended runner, I had him ew at 16/1. I also had Faugheen 4/1 NRNB when he made his comeback and 5/1 BDA when he drifted out at around the same time. Never had another bet on the race after that.

I appreciate what you are both saying regarding Stats.

Stats are just Stats, unless you apply logic to them. That's when things go wrong(or differ), as we will all apply logic in our own way.

I can see the logic behind the Elite hurdle Stat (due to trainer habits like you stated), but not to the point of it stopping me from a bet.

I don't see any logic in the ascot hurdle stats, as in my mind the history of that race is littered with successful champion 2 milers, wether used as preps or not. I think Kev was being mischevious with this example (unless I'm mistaken)
 
I think Kev was being mischevious with this example (unless I'm mistaken)

You're not mistaken ... was a bit of tongue in cheek deathless prose
 
Don't get me wrong, Kev, I know you contribute an awful lot to what is, essentially, a betting forum. Your posts giving detailed reasons for backing (or not) individual horses are usually balanced and well reasoned and I've said many times that everyone is free to bet in the way that suits them best. I just didn't like the tone of your response as, in my view, it was unnecessarily dismissive and aggressive.

When I point out the downside of any suggested bet it's because I've considered the bet and rejected it for the reason given. I'm never going to give tips that I haven't backed myself so, because I hardly ever bet on 'normal' racing I'm not going to be offering much advice although I'd reserve the right to comment on the way a race has panned out.

As it happens, I have actually had 3 A/P bets so far but only one with real money, that being Delta Work at 16/1 ew for any race. I got a completely free £10 bet from Betfair which I split between Adjali (33/1) and Never Adapt (25/1) for the Triumph. I can't see me doing anything else until NRNB.

For my own horses, I never back them and will only say what I think is fair to the other owners. However, I will try to steer people away from bets on them that I have reason to believe are unwise.