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Betfair Chase Haydock 2012

Long Run is the star of the show at Haydock in the Betfair Chase and with Kauto Star now in retirement, the way may be clear for him to return to the top of the chasing tree.

However, I think Long Run has plenty to prove these days and has a load of talented second season chasers snapping at his heels.

All Long Run's performances last season were consistent and of a decent level but none had the brilliance of his Gold Cup winning season. Can he get back to that level?

Punters will have to guess but one thing I do know is that Haydock is not his ideal track. The sharp bends don't suit his galloping style and I'm sure at some point on Saturday Sam Waley-Cohen will look in trouble.

It's such a shame Imperial Commander hasn't made the field as he would have been primed for this as his Gold Cup and would have been a good bet. Silviniaco Conti is Sky Bet's second favourite and sure to be popular after his impressive performance in the Charlie Hall. I'm not sure how good a renewal that was and this is a horse that still has a bit to prove for me.

I think the race is ripe for an upset but I'm struggling to make a case for any of the bigger priced horses.
 
ROBERT WALEY-COHEN on Thursday said he would not know how Betfair Chase favourite Long Run would cope with heavy ground as the six contenders for Saturday's Grade 1 were warned to brace themselves for a possible further easing in the going.

The owner of the 2011 Cheltenham Gold Cup winner said Long Run, a best-priced 11-8 for the 3m contest, had encountered testing going when racing in France but nothing that would compare to the surface Haydock could produce if the track gets rain in the volume forecast.

Alhough conditions were soft on Thursday, up to 12mm of rain was forecast and clerk of the course Kirkland Tellwright said: "If we get that then the word heavy will feature somewhere in the going description."

Waley-Cohen said: "Long Run had 12 races at Auteuil when the ground was either lourd or tres lourd (heavy or very heavy).

That's not as heavy as Haydock heavy so we truthfully don't know how he will cope, but for lack of alternatives we'll almost certainly run there. I'd be more worried if it dried out and became terribly tacky.

"There are only ten horses declared tomorrow [Friday] for the two chases. They save ground on the bends, I'm told, so I think we've got to take our chance."

Midnight Chase was not declared because of the ground leaving Long Run as one of six horses aimed at the £200,000 contest with Paul Nicholls, winner of four out of six runnings of the race, relying on Charlie Hall Chase winner Silviniaco Conti, a best-priced 9-4 with several firms.

"I've been watching the ground and I know it's going to be soft but we are positive," Nicholls said. "He worked great and is going to run. It will be the same for all of them. Dom Alcos don't mind it as you saw with Al Ferof last week.
 
Simon Holt

Long Run's return to action in Saturday's Betfair Chase is bound to have many punters in a quandary: on his Gold Cup-winning form two seasons ago, the horse looks good value at odds against to win this race but, of course, last season's efforts - including when beaten by a gloriously revitalised Kauto Star in this race - were far less convincing.

It is said that Long Run has grown a bit since last term and it could have been the case that two scraps with Kauto Star (here and at Kempton in the King George) during the winter took the edge off him resulting in a below-par performance when only third behind the ill-fated Synchronised and surprise-package The Giant Bolster back at Cheltenham in the spring.

However, concerns still surround his jumping from time to time while regular rider Sam Waley Cohen has ridden in only four races so far this season.

So it's hard to say which Long Run is going to turn up at Haydock and, given that doubt, I will take The Giant Bolster to confirm the Gold Cup placings and prove his effort that day was no fluke.

Overall, David Bridgwater's chaser had an inconsistent campaign in 2011/12 getting rid of Tom Scudamore at the first fence in the Paddy Power Gold Cup, looking reluctant to line up before the Hennessy but then going on to win at Cheltenham before his must improved effort behind Synchronised.

What's interesting - but maybe not surprising - about this horse is that he seems to be improving as his trainer gets better at training!

By his own admission, Bridgwater is pushing his horses harder at home than he used to and, consequently, he has been sending out winners on a far more regular basis; this season he is operating at one winner for every four runners.

So there is every chance that The Giant Bolster will never have been better prepared than he is now.

According to the market, second favourite Silviniaco Conti is regarded as the horse most likely to topple Long Run but I am not so sure.

While clearly smart, Paul Nicholls' charge had little to beat in the Charlie Hall Chase on his reappearance and this strikes me as by far his toughest task to date. We will know more about him after this race.

On the best of his form, Weird Al would also have chances. But, after a good third behind Kauto Star and Long Run in this race last year, he then became disappointing and broke a blood vessel in the Gold Cup, and was then well beaten when coming to grief in the Grand National.

While reported in good shape, Weird Al has something to prove on this occasion.
 
Owner Robert Waley-Cohen is unfazed by the prospect of testing conditions for Long Run's seasonal reappearance in the Betfair Chase on Saturday.

The Nicky Henderson-trained seven-year-old has his first start since finishing third in the Gold Cup at Cheltenham in March, but the ground at Haydock is likely to be demanding.

"The ground is what we've anticipated all week and I think we just have to press on and hope they all handle it," said Waley-Cohen.

"It's going to be fresh ground on Saturday and it's going to be the same for us all.

"It would be nice if they had a little bit of rain on Friday night, just to freshen things up a bit and stop it being too sticky."

Waley-Cohen believes Long Run is in better shape than he was for his Haydock comeback 12 months ago, when he finished second to Kauto Star.

He said: "I think Long Run is a bit more forward than he was going into the race last year and he is certainly more mature, physically and mentally.

"He is a Gold Cup winner and perhaps last season was a little disappointing, but there are a number of factors which contributed to that.

"He was a six-year-old and still growing and he came up against Kauto Star at his brilliant best in this race

"He's running against good horses on Saturday and they don't just give Grade Ones away, but we're very much looking forward to it."

Long Run will again be partnered by the owner's son, Sam Waley-Cohen, who said: "There are some great horses in the race.

"Seeing the young horses coming through like Silviniaco Conti is also one of the great bits of racing - the old established stars being taken on by the young pretenders and seeing who's got what it takes.

"Competition at the top level is about heart and about mind.

"That transcends talent sometimes, and what we'll see on Saturday is the horses that have the heart and mind are the ones that also want to show they've got the talent."

The amateur rider admits Haydock is not the ideal track, adding: "It's not, but at the same time you are short of options and it's as good a place as any to go.

"It's a course he can run well on and if you look back to last season you'd say he got beat by Kauto Star, the greatest horse of all time, but he beat the third, fourth and fifth in the betting for the Gold Cup.

"OK, it's not his best course, but it's not a bad course.

"I think everyone's really pleased with him. He's matured both physically and mentally and we go there full of hope and with one eye fully on the competition."

The up-and-coming Silviniaco Conti has big shoes to fill following Kauto Star's retirement as he is seemingly Paul Nicholls' chief Gold Cup contender.

Nicholls told Betfair: "The one thing about him is he jumps really, really well and he stays well, which is just what you need to go to a Gold Cup.

"Whether we'll talk about going to the Gold Cup this season he'll tell us, but the next logical step is the Betfair Chase.

"It's a race we've won four times with Kauto and he's come out of Wetherby really, really well.

"I think Haydock will suit him well.

"The only thing I wouldn't want is the ground to get too, too testing, but he's a nice horse for the future."

The Giant Bolster was one place ahead of Long Run in last season's Gold Cup, but trainer David Bridgwater is not confident of confirming the form.

Bridgwater said: "He's in good order. I hope he'll go through the ground as well as the others.

"We obviously finished ahead of Long Run in the Gold Cup, but this is a different track and a different stage of the season, obviously.

"If we can finish within 10 lengths of him on Saturday, I'll be very happy.

"I think there's our horse, Long Run and Weird Al who haven't run for a day or two, and you would think they are all going to improve.

"We'll get this race out of the way before we make any plans for the rest of the season, but obviously there are races like the King George and what have you to look at.

"We're really excited about running him.

"It's just brilliant to be part of races like this."
 
Strange logic at work here :D. Female brain innit

The ground at Haydock will be testing though for the Betfair Chase for which six horses have been declared. Nicky Henderson once again looks set to have a successful weekend, but as ever he is up against a strong challenge from champion trainer Paul Nicholls.

His Long Run is a worthy favourite for this Grade 1 but it's a fascinating contest. He was second to Kauto Star in this last year, but his season was a bit disappointing on the whole. This track doesn't suit him ideally either and I'm not sure I'd want to take a very short price about him.

Silviniaco Conti takes his next step up the ladder after winning the Charlie Hall at Wetherby and he has come out of that race well. The worry is the ground though, as I'm not sure he's want it too testing.

Long Run was third in the Gold Cup back in March but The Giant Bolster was one place in front of him in second. He doesn't seem to have got as much credit as he deserves.

Weird Al goes well after a break and I think he could be the one to have a pound or two on. He is quirky, but ran well to be third in this last year and has bypassed this season's Charlie Hall so comes here a fresh horse.

On ratings this should go to Long Run, but on this ground and on a track that doesn't suit him ideally I'm going to take a chance on Weird Al for Donald McCain.
 
^ Who is that from Pat ?

More stats

Winners have been aged between six and 11 with two nine year olds successful.
Winners have been priced between 10-11 and 33-1; four favourites have won with three returned odds-on.
Five winners finished in the first three on their preceding start.
Six winners had won or been placed in a Grade One Chase.
Four winners had won the Gold Cup.
Four winners had contested the race before.
Four winners had had a prep run.

Summary

A race in its relative infancy with the figures skewed somewhat by Kauto Star's four victories in the contest. Grade One form is essential and could have had a clean sweep across the years if Kauto Star and his jockey had kept the partnership intact in 2009.

Cannington Brook and Weird Al fall down on that score but there's little to separate the remaining quartet on the statistics.

Kauto Star won the race for the first time as a six year old and Paul Nicholls will be hoping to repeat the feat with Silviniaco Conti but perhaps Long Run can become the fifth favourite to oblige.

He came up short last year when only the second six year old to have run in the race in its seven year history but doesn't have to take on Kauto Star this time around although this will be the heaviest ground that he'll have encountered since arriving in Britain.
 
7 Previous runnings
7/7 – Won by and Irish (3) or French (4) bred horse
6/7 – Won over at least 3m (fences) previously
5/7 – Raced within the last 4 weeks
5/7 – Officially rating of 170 or higher
5/7 – Favourites placed
5/7 – Won a Grade One chase previously
5/7 – Placed in the top three in their last race
5/7 – Winning distance – 2 lengths or less
5/7 – Raced at Haydock previously
3/7 – Raced at Aintree last time out
2/7 – Won their latest race
2/7 – Raced at Wetherby in the Charlie Hall last time out
The average winning price in the last 7 runnings is 9/1
The Paul Nicholls yard and Kauto Star took the prize in 2006, 2007, 2009 & 2011
Ruby Walsh has ridden the winner in 2006, 2009 & 2011
 
Morning :D

The Champ has views :cool: ( and will JP be getting the cheque book out)

Tony McCoy: Long Run is facing a defining race at Haydock, but the course is no longer up to scratch
This time last year I don’t think Synchronised was on anyone’s Gold Cup radar, let alone our own. In fact on this day a year ago he finished third to Dynaste in the Fixed Brush Hurdle at Haydock before going on to win the Lexus and the Gold Cup.
That form will come under scrutiny for the first time when The Giant Bolster and Long Run, whom we beat into second and third at Cheltenham in March, take each other on in the Betfair Chase on Saturday.

The modern Haydock, however, is very different to the one I started riding at, which was a real galloping course with the biggest fences outside of Aintree.

Now it is a tight round the inside and over portable fences. As far as I am concerned it is not worthy of its status as grade-one jump track and it is very far removed from the test set by Cheltenham.

I am not sure we that saw the best of Long Run last year and at Haydock much hinges upon the 2011 Gold Cup winner. If he is back to his best he wins – and if he is not it becomes an open contest and one has to ask whether we will ever see the real Long Run again.

Silviniaco Conti is a progressive second-season chaser, but he will find this tougher than Wetherby, there are doubts about The Giant Bolster in the ground and we know that Weird Al goes fresh.

Cannington Brook will love the conditions but from what I have seen of him at home I would still give Long Run the benefit of the doubt.

Synchronised would have loved this ground, but he would not have like the track.

At the moment we have no replacement for him, in fact we do not really have any established chasers, but is a long time between now and March, as he proved last year.
 
15:05 Haydock Weird Al 9/2 from 11/2

With creditable doubts about both Long Run and Silviniaco Conti, the mover in the Betfair Chase has been third favourite, Weird Al. A winner first time up for the past two seasons, Donald McCain's gelding obviously goes well fresh, he handles the ground and perhaps more importantly has been trained specifically for this race. Get your wheelbarrows out.
 
There are a few conditions that Weird Al probably needs in his favour in order to be seen to best effect. He needs a long gap between his races, he probably needs a distance of three miles, but not much more than that, he is probably better on soft ground than he is on good or fast ground, and the balance of his form suggests that he is better in the winter than he is in the spring. All his stars align today then.

Another thing you need to remember about Weird Al, however, is that he breaks blood vessels. He has broken a blood vessel twice in his last five runs. It’s not good. When a horse breaks a blood vessel once, there is always a reasonable chance that he will do so again, and you have to factor that into the equation now every time you are thinking about backing Weird Al.

On the positive side, insofar as there is a positive side, both blood vessel breaks have been in the Gold Cup. Perhaps it was Cheltenham that caused it, the up-hill and down-dale (although he did win at Cheltenham twice in his younger days), perhaps it was the Gold Cup razzamatazz, perhaps it was the Gold Cup pace, perhaps it was the time of year, March, towards the end of the season. It is impossible to know. But he makes his seasonal debut today, and his freshness should minimise the probability of another broken blood vessel. First time out is the time to get him.

Weird Al’s record when he has had a break of four weeks or more since his previous race reads 211111P1PF (both Ps the broken blood vessels, the F in the Grand National); his record when he has been returned to the racecourse less than four weeks after his previous run reads 83. His record on his seasonal debut reads 21111; his record after his seasonal debut reads 118P3PF.

His record when racing over a distance of between two and a half miles and three miles and a furlong reads 1111113; his record when racing over a distance in excess of three miles and a furlong reads 8PPF. His record on ground softer than good to soft reads 21111; his record on good to soft or faster ground reads 18P13PF.

Also, his record between October and February reads 211111813; his record between March and September reads PPF.

Last year, Weird Al won the Charlie Hall Chase on his seasonal debut, then ran a cracker to finish third in the 2011 renewal of today’s race. It is probable that winning the Charlie Hall three weeks earlier wasn’t the ideal preparation for today’s race last year, yet he still got to within two lengths of Long Run, who was eight lengths behind Kauto Star. He is a year older now, he is nine rising 10, but he is relatively lightly-raced for his age, he has run in just 12 races in his life under all codes. There is plenty of mileage left in him, and it is probable that Donald McCain has had this race in mind for him for a while now.

Long Run is the obvious standard-setter, but he is very short at 2.78 this evening, and it wouldn’t be at all surprising to see him drift in the morning. The King George and Gold Cup winner of the 2010/11 season, he won just once from four attempts last term, and he has not progressed as you would have expected a five-year-old King George winner (okay, so the King George was run in January that year, but he should have been five) and a six-year-old Gold Cup winner to have progressed.

Robert Waley-Cohen’s horse needed his seasonal debut last year, just as he had in 2010, and it is probable that he will progress for his run today. Unlike Weird Al, it is unlikely that this race has been his goal. It is more likely that Nicky Henderson is treating it as a stepping-stone to the King George. As well as that, Long Run is developing as a real stayer, Haydock’s inside track is probably tighter than ideal for him, and very soft ground would be a concern. He may win, but it is easy to be against him at the price.

Silviniaco Conti is probably a bigger danger to Weird Al, despite the fact that he is a bigger price than Long Run. He was a high-class novice among what is looking more and more like a vintage crop of novices last year, runner-up in the Feltham Chase, winner of the Mildmay Chase, and he looked really good in beating more experienced rivals in the Charlie Hall Chase on his return this term. He should handle soft ground – he beat Captain Chris in the Persian War Hurdle at Chepstow on the only occasion on which he has encountered soft ground – and, a six-year-old who has raced just six times over fences, he has plenty of scope for progression. Odds of 3.35 about him are fair.

The Giant Bolster has been well touted all week, but he shouldn’t really want the ground to be too soft, he will probably improve for his seasonal debut and he is probably a better horse at Cheltenham than he is anywhere else. You could see Cannington Brook out-performing odds of 18.5. He was fairly badly hampered when Frisco Depot fell in front of him at the second last fence at Ascot last time, and he should come on for that run. Crucially, he loves Haydock and he revels in soft ground there. However, unless it happened to come up really heavy, it is difficult to see him winning the race.

I have backed Weird Al, and I will probably keep Silviniaco Conti
 
Time for Silviniaco Conti to lay down his Gold Cup marker
By Ruby Walsh
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 24, 2012
I have just five rides over the next two days, but this could still be a great weekend. What it really comes down to is whether I can win the Betfair Chase at Haydock today aboard Silviniaco Conti.

There are only six runners, but it has the makings of a cracking contest and is likely to revel whether Silviniaco is going to develop into the natural successor to Kauto Star and Denman.

I think we can safely dismiss the chances of Cannington Brook and Silviniaco slammed Wayward Prince to the tune of 11 lengths at Wetherby, so it is difficult to make a case for that horse.

But the other four all have a life. The one you’d least fancy of the quartet has to be Weird Al. Mind you, he made a fine start to last season when winning the Charlie Hall at Wetherby, but his form did tail off after that.

Silviniaco Conti is a horse I really like and am particularly looking forward to riding again. He jumped and travelled great when winning easily at Wetherby and it was the ideal start to his campaign.

Paul Nicholls and I thought long and hard as to whether he should come here, or wait for the King George at Kempton.

My thinking is that essentially you need a two and a half mile hors e for the King George. It is no coincidence the likes of Florida Pearl, One Man and Edredon Bleu have won the King George, but not a Gold Cup.

Our worry was that Silviniaco just wouldn’t have the tactical speed for the King George, whereas the Betfair and Gold Cup place far more emphasis on stamina.

Take the Feltham at Kempton last season when Silviniaco was taken out of his comfort zone and beaten by Grands Crus. No, this is definitely the right race for him.

I believe Long Run now has a bit to prove. He had the world at his feet when winning the Gold Cup as a six-year-old, but to my eyes was never the same horse last season.

I mean, Kauto Star was able to beat him twice and chances are Long Run, at his best, wouldn’t have allowed that to happen, at least not on both occasions.

The Giant Bolster progressed and progressed last season, but it was still hard enough to fancy him in the Gold Cup.

But, at 50-1, he ran the race of his life to finish second to Synchronised and had Long Run behind in third. This will tell us whether that was a flash in the pan or not.

Bottom line is that I love my horse, can’t wait to throw my leg over him and am expecting him to deliver.
 
Jump racing began searching in earnest yesterday for the next Gold Cup winner as well as a new sponsor for the Grand National – two not entirely unrelated events given that last season's Gold Cup winner Synchronised was fatally injured while running loose in the National.

There will be plenty who left Haydock in the gloom last night in the belief that the first part of that quest had been answered by Paul Nicholls after his Silviniaco Conti had made all to win the Betfair Chase by two and a half lengths from Long Run. The winner is now 6/1 second favourite for Cheltenham in March with Ladbrokes who make Sir Des Champs, another Ruby Walsh mount, the 5/1 favourite.

Walsh was masterful on Silviniaco Conti in giving Nicholls a fifth Betfair Chase to go with the four won by Kauto Star. With no one else keen to go on he controlled the race from the start. Nicholls has always regarded the rapidly improving six-year-old as a stayer but it was at the back of Walsh's mind that he had won an Ascot Hurdle over two and a half miles and he reckoned if he turned it into a sprint nothing would beat him.

That is pretty much what happened. Long Run did not help himself pulling for a mile and a half but he jumped much better when the tempo quickened and Silviniaco Conti, though never looking like he would get beat, could never quite shake off the tenacious 2011 Gold Cup winner.

It was a good return for Sam Waley-Cohen's mount. He is now 3/1 favourite for the King George and it would be a brave man to write him off winning another Gold Cup. The Giant Bolster, runner-up in last season's Gold Cup, ran a very good race in third until tiring at the last.

Nicholls was understandably delighted with Silviniaco Conti. "Kauto won this aged six and the Gold Cup aged seven," he said. "Although we've avoided Cheltenham so far I'd have no worries about that and because he's very, very good fresh I wouldn't mind if he went straight there without another run." He added: "We tried to make him a Champion Hurdler which he wasn't but like Al Ferof he's improved this year. Ruby knows him well and there's no better judge of the pace from the front but in a race like the Gold Cup he'd better in behind with a stronger pace."
 
Phil Smiths take on it

The first Grade 1 chase of the 2012/13 season was a relatively straightforward race to assess in terms of performance but a difficult one to decide what rating Long Run should receive, writes Phil Smith. Silviniaco Conti went in on 168 and Long Run on 178 but that performance from Long Run was all the way back in February.

Both Weird Al and The Giant Bolster went into the race on 164 and there was a short head between them. As they were 18 lengths clear of Cannington Brook on 145, it was reasonable to believe that they had performed to either 163 using a literal pounds per length back to the last horse who was on 145 or 164 if I decided Cannington Brook could have performed to 146 which he has in the past. Either way it was irrelevant to him as I was not going to raise his rating for finishing last.

It brought Long Run out at 167/8 which was pretty good for a first run of the season. Last year Weird Al got to within two lengths of Long Run in this race so it was encouraging to see him more than double his superiority. I believe Silviniaco Conti won comfortably so called the winning margin 4lb and have moved his rating to 172. The biggest problem was what to do with Long Run’s rating. As I had him running to 163 in the Gold Cup and under 170 here, I decided to drop him to 172 - the same as the winner. If neither run between now and the Gold Cup there will be as many people supporting one as the other and I will have them the same rating.

In the unlikely event of them running in a handicap against each other they would carry the same weight and I think it would be difficult for the public to decide which was more likely to win.