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Arkle 2020

6/4 still available with Hills for Fakir. Will go off odds on. Take it !!!!!
 
Lobos said:
6/4 still available with Hills for Fakir. Will go off odds on. Take it !!!!!
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Fakir was backed into fav against Melon?

Melon would not get near Laurina in the betting? They have to think she's better than him.

So I don't think Fakir will go off fav.


Not that I really care.
 
billymag said:
Only if Laurina is a non runner
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Mullins thinks Laurina will run a big race but Fakir will have edge in experience. Excuses already forthcoming which ain't a good sign. Take the 6/4 !!!
 
Lobos said:
Mullins thinks Laurina will run a big race but Fakir will have edge in experience. Excuses already forthcoming which ain't a good sign. Take the 6/4 !!!
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Laurina doesn’t look quick enough over a fence for 2 miles to my eye. Not saying she’s a bad jumper at all but can’t see how she’ll be suited to a fast paced 2 mile race. Fakir only knows one way, he’s all out attack at a relentless gallop and I just can’t see Laurina going with him. I do think Fakir has slightly been overrated but with that 4 year old allowance he’ll be very hard to beat. Without that allowance in March I’m not sure he’ll be good enough to win the Arkle but I live in hope. As for Laurina ......... surely she’s a JLT type although I’m glad she’s going over 2 miles as she would be Samcro’s main danger in the JLT. Who knows but I think Boxing Day evening is going to be very interesting for Mullins after she gets beat with ease by Fakir.
 
Lobos said:
Mullins thinks Laurina will run a big race but Fakir will have edge in experience. Excuses already forthcoming which ain't a good sign. Take the 6/4 !!!
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Are you taking it?
 
Kevloaf said:
Fakir was backed into fav against Melon?

Melon would not get near Laurina in the betting? They have to think she's better than him.

So I don't think Fakir will go off fav.


Not that I really care.
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I dont think he'll win, but I'd be confident enough that he'll go off odds on and fav.

Definitely one for the arbers
 
Kautothegreat8 said:
Laurina doesn’t look quick enough over a fence for 2 miles to my eye. Not saying she’s a bad jumper at all but can’t see how she’ll be suited to a fast paced 2 mile race. Fakir only knows one way, he’s all out attack at a relentless gallop and I just can’t see Laurina going with him. I do think Fakir has slightly been overrated but with that 4 year old allowance he’ll be very hard to beat. Without that allowance in March I’m not sure he’ll be good enough to win the Arkle but I live in hope. As for Laurina ......... surely she’s a JLT type although I’m glad she’s going over 2 miles as she would be Samcro’s main danger in the JLT. Who knows but I think Boxing Day evening is going to be very interesting for Mullins after she gets beat with ease by Fakir.
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She is going this race simply because they wanted Faugheen to go Limerick. Simples. She is a top Mare but not over the minimum distance and definitely not round Leopardstown on decent ground. Fakir will get her out of her comfort zone but no disgrace. She'll give a good account and then take on and beat Samcro in JLT. I cant be any clearer than that.
 
Lobos said:
She is going this race simply because they wanted Faugheen to go Limerick. Simples. She is a top Mare but not over the minimum distance and definitely not round Leopardstown on decent ground. Fakir will get her out of her comfort zone but no disgrace. She'll give a good account and then take on and beat Samcro in JLT. I cant be any clearer than that.
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You sound more like your trying to convince yourself, rather than others.
 
Be heavy at leopardstown I reckon
 
Scooby91 said:
You sound more like your trying to convince yourself, rather than others.
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Ha, ha, ha. You sound like you want to back him Scooby's? You know you want to.....
 
Lobos said:
Ha, ha, ha. You sound like you want to back him Scooby's? You know you want to.....
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If I could get a ridiculous amount on, and was that way inclined. I'd back at 6/4. Lay all off @evens.

And bang the profit on laurina before the off

Theres your Christmas gift.
 
If Fakir D'oudaries takes Laurina's scalp, can anyone see them going back up in trip again to face Samcro?



Does a win for him over 2m cement his target as this race?


If he's beat, any chance he still runs in this race?



Lose over 2m to Laurina, step back up in trip for another crack at Samcro?



Laurina this week, with Fakir D'oudaries for the JLT?
Fakir this week, with Laurina for the JLT?

Samcro beats both in the JLT though :highly_amused:
 
Lobos said:
She is going this race simply because they wanted Faugheen to go Limerick. Simples. She is a top Mare but not over the minimum distance and definitely not round Leopardstown on decent ground. Fakir will get her out of her comfort zone but no disgrace. She'll give a good account and then take on and beat Samcro in JLT. I cant be any clearer than that.
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Beat Samcro ????? Time will tell this season but I think we’re going to see the real Samcro, the 2021 Gold cup winner. I feel strongly that a fully fit Samcro is a machine over the correct trip. Forget last season and also forget Samcro scoping bad on numerous occasions. He simply wasn’t running over the correct trip or over the correct obstacles. He’s simply a star
 
Scooby91 said:
If I could get a ridiculous amount on, and was that way inclined. I'd back at 6/4. Lay all off @evens.

And bang the profit on laurina before the off

Theres your Christmas gift.
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Don't do it. It'll spoil your Xmas.
 
Kautothegreat8 said:
Beat Samcro ????? Time will tell this season but I think we’re going to see the real Samcro, the 2021 Gold cup winner. I feel strongly that a fully fit Samcro is a machine over the correct trip. Forget last season and also forget Samcro scoping bad on numerous occasions. He simply wasn’t running over the correct trip or over the correct obstacles. He’s simply a star
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You may be right but too many buts for me. Great race in prospect though
 
Kautothegreat8 said:
Laurina doesn’t look quick enough over a fence for 2 miles to my eye. Not saying she’s a bad jumper at all but can’t see how she’ll be suited to a fast paced 2 mile race. Fakir only knows one way, he’s all out attack at a relentless gallop and I just can’t see Laurina going with him. I do think Fakir has slightly been overrated but with that 4 year old allowance he’ll be very hard to beat. Without that allowance in March I’m not sure he’ll be good enough to win the Arkle but I live in hope. As for Laurina ......... surely she’s a JLT type although I’m glad she’s going over 2 miles as she would be Samcro’s main danger in the JLT. Who knows but I think Boxing Day evening is going to be very interesting for Mullins after she gets beat with ease by Fakir.
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To be fair she’s only had one run over fences, thought she jumped really well in the main.

Whether it stands up in a fast pace 2m we will soon find out, but can’t discount her based on her debut where she jumped well.

Although I believe it was owner fuelled, Mullins must believe she has a good bit pace to send her for the champion hurdle, if she wasn’t quick he would surely have told the owner there and then she would have no chance but that wasn’t the case and she took her chance. Didn’t travel well was Ruby’s post race comments which to me doesn’t seem bad finishing 4th in a champion hurdle (albeit not the principles fighting out the finish we expected).
 
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