Arkle 2019

[charlie]

That’s unlucky for PN but as pointed out, very few on here seemed to be on so one less to worry about I suppose

 

[Kevloaf]

So the winner comes from these 4, right?

Lalor
Kalashnikov
Le Richebourg
Cilaos Emery

I could do another poll :triumphant:?

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

So the winner comes from these 4, right?

Lalor
Kalashnikov
Le Richebourg
Cilaos Emery

I could do another poll :triumphant:?

I simply can't have Kalashnikov over 2 miles. Lalor was disappointing lto so I can't see anything other than an Irish winner. Perhaps Paloma Blue as an outsider

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Beat me to it FM... I cant have Kalashnikov either ,so think Kev's 4 could be come 3!

Whilst Lalor was disappointing last time, he did have excuses for me, and his seasonal debut will live long in the memory for me. I still think that was the performance of the season so far in this division. If he reproduces that, he will surely be very hard to beat. I am also made up he will be going there without another run.

 

[Faugheen_Machine]

Beat me to it FM... I cant have Kalashnikov either ,so think Kev's 4 could be come 3!

Whilst Lalor was disappointing last time, he did have excuses for me, and his seasonal debut will live long in the memory for me. I still think that was the performance of the season so far in this division. If he reproduces that, he will surely be very hard to beat. I am also made up he will be going there without another run.

I'm a backer of Lalor but I was really disappointed last time out. Perhaps in being overly harsh as the performance at Cheltenham was exceptional.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

I'm a backer of Lalor but I was really disappointed last time out. Perhaps in being overly harsh as the performance at Cheltenham was exceptional.

Yes exactly. The first run was so good that Id be absolutely certain the the subsequent running was an off day. He never travelled at all, and its not the first time he's done that. He seems to be a bit of an in and out character! But on his day he's top class, and I honestly believe a reproduction of that debut would win the Arkle.

 

[Hurricane fly]

So the winner comes from these 4, right?

Lalor
Kalashnikov
Le Richebourg
Cilaos Emery

I could do another poll :triumphant:?

I’m pretty balls deep on CE and will wait for the day to back Le Richebourg

And then be pretty happy with being evens for the festival early on

 

[Humble Pie]

I’m pretty balls deep on CE and will wait for the day to back Le Richebourg

And then be pretty happy with being evens for the festival early on

Irish 1/2 ?
Can’t have Kalashnikov but if Lalor back to best it’s a three way race imo

 

[Arkle]

Disappointing for PN and connections but I’m on CE & LB dollars was the one I thought could upset the cart think it’s between the pair I just think lalor got away with one at Cheltenham First run for most aswell

 

[Scooby91]

No one likes Kalashnikov at all it seems. But it's not reflected in the betting. I'm praying that he goes out in price at some point to 8/1 + with still 3 places. As I still have it between him and the 2 Irish personally. If he dosent drift I'll have to leave him. But he's a danger in my eyes. He faced the dynamite dollars coming in at the top of his game in a speed test which wouldn't have suited him. But ran a race full of promise imo. I'd far rather have him in this than lalor who caught out DD cold on debut and has since shown that form is long gone.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

No one likes Kalashnikov at all it seems. But it's not reflected in the betting. I'm praying that he goes out in price at some point to 8/1 + with still 3 places. As I still have it between him and the 2 Irish personally. If he dosent drift I'll have to leave him. But he's a danger in my eyes. He faced the dynamite dollars coming in at the top of his game in a speed test which wouldn't have suited. I'd far rather have him in this than lalor who caught out DD cold on debut and has since shown that form is long gone.

There is no way the last run proved that the form is long gone. Lalor was beaten after 1/2 a mile.

 

[Scooby91]

There is no way the last run proved that the form is long gone. Lalor was beaten after 1/2 a mile.

Just my own opinion. He won a race a long time ago. He's done nothing since. The others have progressed.

 

[Kevloaf]

I agree on Kalashnikov, repeating ourselves aren't we, but since before the season we've thought a step up would suit him...

Lalor I think at the 33s we're on at, has a huge chance, but given how disappointing he was LTO, you'd struggle to get excited at the price, and that Cheltenham win was a long time ago it seems, we did question its worth at the time too...

Le Richebourg is the number 1 in Ireland on a traditional route and looking at his form, he's the one to beat.

and Cilaos Emery is the X-Factor, as he doesn't have the chase form in the book yet, but has shown enough on his debut to suggest he's going to be in the mix.




I know who I want to win the most, but I'm not sure who I think is the best of those now if I was having a bet

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Just my own opinion. He won a race a long time ago. He's done nothing since. The others have progressed.

Im unsure if DD really has progressed that much myself. If you accept Lalor never went a yard at Sandown, and take him out of the race, has DD improved that much? Because I dont really rate Kalashnikov that much over 2m, I personally think he may have only needed to run at the same level to do what he's done since.

 

[Scooby91]

Im unsure is DD really has progressed that much myself. If you accept Lalor never went a yard at Sandown, and take him out of the race, has DD improved that much? Because I dont really rate Kalashnikov that much over 2m, I personally think he may have only needed to run at the same level to do what he's done since.

Paul has said he'd improved significantly with each run.

I wouldn't be one for just writing of a horses run where he's well beaten. And then go back to his debut run over fences, and then think that runs enough to win the arkle Imo.

I'd have to see him leave that run behind and progress from debut. Because hed need a good bit more than that

He's dissapointed plenty of times over hurdles. I cant see him finishing infront of Kalashnikov Personally. And that's without the other 2.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Paul has said he'd improved significantly with each run.

I wouldn't be one for just writing of a horses run where he's well beaten. And then go back to his debut run over fences, and then think that runs enough to win the arkle Imo.

I'd have to see him leave that run behind and progress from debut. Because hed need a good bit more than that

He's dissapointed plenty of times over hurdles. I cant see him finishing infront of Kalashnikov Personally. And that's without the other 2.

Depends on the horse for me. This is a horse that was tailed off last in the Betfair Hurdle then won a very good renewal of the Grade One Novice Hurdle at Aintree next time... I half wonder if the trainer is an issue myself.

Its an unusual year... the likes of CE could be coming here on the back of a single chase run where the form is pretty average, so many wont have achieved as much as horses in previous years.

Anyway, agree to disagree. I genuinely think Lalor's debut run this season would win what wont be a vintage Arkle, as I think he only has two horses to beat and both have question marks. But if Im honest, its complete guesswork which Lalor turns up.

 

[Quevega]

Depends on the horse for me. This is a horse that was tailed off last in the Betfair Hurdle then won a very good renewal of the Grade One Novice Hurdle at Aintree next time... I half wonder if the trainer is an issue myself.

Its an unusual year... the likes of CE could be coming here on the back of a single chase run where the form is pretty average, so many wont have achieved as much as horses in previous years.

Anyway, agree to disagree. I genuinely think Lalor's debut run this season would win what wont be a vintage Arkle, as I think he only has two horses to beat and both have question marks. But if Im honest, its complete guesswork which Lalor turns up.

How tough do we think Lalor is ?
Does he pack it in easily ?
When he don't get his own way ?

 

[Can't Catch Me]

How tough do we think Lalor is ?
Does he pack it in easily ?
When he don't get his own way ?

I honestly cant put my finger on what is is quevega. I dont think its mental toughness as he showed a really good attitude at Aintree for me. He didn't lead on his chase debut this season and Johnno constantly reined him back yet he didn't sulk or give in that day

He just appears to have wildly different on and off days. He's a huge big horse and I've heard it said before, by people who know far more than me, that big horses can be like this? He's a bit of an enigma. Think thats why Im such a fan!

 

[Scooby91]

Depends on the horse for me. This is a horse that was tailed off last in the Betfair Hurdle then won a very good renewal of the Grade One Novice Hurdle at Aintree next time... I half wonder if the trainer is an issue myself.

Its an unusual year... the likes of CE could be coming here on the back of a single chase run where the form is pretty average, so many wont have achieved as much as horses in previous years.

Anyway, agree to disagree. I genuinely think Lalor's debut run this season would win what wont be a vintage Arkle, as I think he only has two horses to beat and both have question marks. But if Im honest, its complete guesswork which Lalor turns up.

Fwiw despite backing him, I don't think le richebourg is anything special. He's just solid and consistent at a good level. Like dynamite dollars was.
. Not a chance id be backing him at the price he is now.

I just really don't rate lalor at all. But maybe I will after this race if he comes out and suprises me. You never know.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Fwiw despite backing him, I don't think le richebourg is anything special. He's just solid and consistent at a good level
. Not a chance id be backing him at the price he is now.

I agree. I backed the DRF double at 18/1 as a cover but dont think he's anything special either. CE clearly has a high ceiling but this could come too soon for him. Lalor may not have to do that much, to win.