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2023 Novice Chasers

Spectre said:
Yes agreed. Quilixios too. He and Teahupoo the ones that interests me most of those not already discussed.

Saint Felicien may end up down the handicap route, and Fil Dor will probably need another season.
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I was pleasantly by the 50/1 PP came back to me with about Quilixios for the Arkle. I’m hoping last year was just a a stop gap for connections letting him mature & fill out before going chasing, not traveling to Cheltenham & Aintree won’t have done him any harm & HdB pulling up stumps in February may have given them plenty of time to school properly.

Course & distance winner that looks better built for fences than hurdles is great value in book, also the 2m novices from last year weren’t exactly stellar bar CH who appears to be going down the CH route.
 
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Spectre said:
Yes agreed. Quilixios too. He and Teahupoo the ones that interests me most of those not already discussed.

Saint Felicien may end up down the handicap route, and Fil Dor will probably need another season.
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Regarding Saint Felicien, he's already joint 3rd highest rated hurdler(RPR wise) Saint Des Saints has produced and given the majority of his improve a fair bit for chasing I'm expecting him to be graded class this year, not to mention our capper won't give him anything less than 149 (what he ran off in the Coral)even if he ran some stinkers chasing and rocked up next year in the plate/GA. Looked a classy sort and inevitable will be forced down the novice graded events barring injury imo. Exciting horse.
 
Gordon has confirmed Fil Dor goes chasing on RTV.

️ “If we get a bit of rain he’ll start at Down Royal. He looks like a chaser and he’ll stay further as well. We’ll try to take advantage of his four-year-old weight allowance.”
 
RoadToCheltenham said:
Gordon has confirmed Fil Dor goes chasing on RTV.

️ “If we get a bit of rain he’ll start at Down Royal. He looks like a chaser and he’ll stay further as well. We’ll try to take advantage of his four-year-old weight allowance.”
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I think our general consensus on here was that he looks every inch a chaser and I think they'll be able to exploit a lot with the allowance to begin with. I think they may well be looking to keep FD, Mighty Potter and Three Stripe Life apart. I think Mighty Potter could be Gordon's Arkle horse and Fil d'Or possibly his Turners which I've chanced at 25/1. If only it was so easy to map out the races :excitement:
 
Lbur4288 said:
I think our general consensus on here was that he looks every inch a chaser and I think they'll be able to exploit a lot with the allowance to begin with. I think they may well be looking to keep FD, Mighty Potter and Three Stripe Life apart. I think Mighty Potter could be Gordon's Arkle horse and Fil d'Or possibly his Turners which I've chanced at 25/1. If only it was so easy to map out the races :excitement:
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Gordon has plenty to fit in
- Teahupoo
- Saint felicien
- Minella crooner (assume he’s chasing not heard anything)
- Hollow games
- Gerri Colombe
Plus the three you’ve mentioned
 
Kautostar said:
Gordon has plenty to fit in
- Teahupoo
- Saint felicien
- Minella crooner (assume he’s chasing not heard anything)
- Hollow games
- Gerri Colombe
Plus the three you’ve mentioned
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I don't know if you have read Jumpers to follow but I got the impression that Gerri Colombe could be heading the way of the National Hunt Chase. I guess Gordon will see which of the horses mentioned are good enough to contest the festival races and if they all are he might just throw a couple at each.
 
Lbur4288 said:
I don't know if you have read Jumpers to follow but I got the impression that Gerri Colombe could be heading the way of the National Hunt Chase. I guess Gordon will see which of the horses mentioned are good enough to contest the festival races and if they all are he might just throw a couple at each.
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The book was also making the point that Robcour would want to keep Gerri and Journey With Me apart, so there's that to add into the mix
 
That Horse said:
The book was also making the point that Robcour would want to keep Gerri and Journey With Me apart, so there's that to add into the mix
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That was on my main take outs from it and I think JWM looks like a potential RSA horse.
 
One of Gordon’s novice chasers that hasn’t been mentioned above is Chemical Energy. I had the horse noted as a potential National Hunt horse given how he was stepped up I trip and then sent novice chasing at the back end of last season. I expected to see a couple of summer runs followed by a run at Cheltenham in October. His late start over 2m was therefore not in my thinking, has anyone seen any post race comments about where his targets might be?
 
Fir me, Chemical Energy is Gordon's Grand Annual horse
 
Lobos said:
Fir me, Chemical Energy is Gordon's Grand Annual horse
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I definitely see him as more of a handicapper

He'd need to be a huge improver for a fence to be competing with the mullins battalions
 
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Lobos said:
Fir me, Chemical Energy is Gordon's Grand Annual horse
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Definitely a handicapper for me. GA or the Plate, possibly. Don't think a step up in trip would cause him a issue.

Long way to go though, Gordon will likely have a whole host of handicap options, as is usually the case.
 
Cobblers Dream is one I'll be keeping an eye on this season going chasing (as somer1 has pointed out above already). Put him up last year for the Coral Cup after he won the Lanzerote impressively however he ended up running in the Martin Pipe. Finished 2nd behind Bambridge & ahead of the likes of Hollow Games, Freedom to Dream, Chemical Energy & Grand Jury so the horse is no mug.

Ben Case has already outlined starting him off in a listed chase at Chepstow in Oct. over 2m3f so I'd imagine his final target would be Turners or if he falls short of Graded Class maybe the Grand Annual? Can't see him priced up anywhere yet so have put out some requests to get him added, will revert back if get any prices... :smiley_simmons:
 
MadeinJapan said:
Cobblers Dream is one I'll be keeping an eye on this season going chasing (as somer1 has pointed out above already). Put him up last year for the Coral Cup after he won the Lanzerote impressively however he ended up running in the Martin Pipe. Finished 2nd behind Bambridge & ahead of the likes of Hollow Games, Freedom to Dream, Chemical Energy & Grand Jury so the horse is no mug.

Ben Case has already outlined starting him off in a listed chase at Chepstow in Oct. over 2m3f so I'd imagine his final target would be Turners or if he falls short of Graded Class maybe the Grand Annual? Can't see him priced up anywhere yet so have put out some requests to get him added, will revert back if get any prices... :smiley_simmons:
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20/1 TWAR with Hills
 
Just re-watched Jonbon vs El Fabiolo at Aintree, and although I do have El Fabiolo covered at nice prices I do think Jonbon will have him covered again.

Admittedly El Fabiolo made a mistake at the last, but the run in was plenty long enough to get back up but if anything Jonbon was the one to get his head down and battle well, and coupled with the fact El Fabiolo went there a fresher horse than Jonbon, the latter could well have been 'over the top' by that point of the season, but his attitude was admirable in victory.

I think Willie will need a better horse than El Fabiolo to beat Jonbon, although this is still a real possibility, as he has an abundance of ammo at his disposal.

Obviously there are more than just Willie and Nicky horses in the market and it may be that something completely left field tops them all, but this was more a comparison between two horses that have already met over hurdles.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Just re-watched Jonbon vs El Fabiolo at Aintree, and although I do have El Fabiolo covered at nice prices I do think Jonbon will have him covered again.

Admittedly El Fabiolo made a mistake at the last, but the run in was plenty long enough to get back up but if anything Jonbon was the one to get his head down and battle well, and coupled with the fact El Fabiolo went there a fresher horse than Jonbon, the latter could well have been 'over the top' by that point of the season, but his attitude was admirable in victory.

I think Willie will need a better horse than El Fabiolo to beat Jonbon, although this is still a real possibility, as he has an abundance of ammo at his disposal.

Obviously there are more than just Willie and Nicky horses in the market and it may be that something completely left field tops them all, but this was more a comparison between two horses that have already met over hurdles.
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El fabiolo was only having his second run for Willie and is a year younger than jonbon so open to plenty of improvement

Hard to have a strong opinion either way at this stage for me

Jonbon is one I do intend to get onside at some point simply because nicky will campaign him in his usual Conservative manner, he will very likely go there unbeaten if he takes well to fences and be shorter than 3/1 on the day
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
El fabiolo was only having his second run for Willie and is a year younger than jonbon so open to plenty of improvement

Hard to have a strong opinion either way at this stage for me

Jonbon is one I do intend to get onside at some point simply because nicky will campaign him in his usual Conservative manner, he will very likely go there unbeaten if he takes well to fences and be shorter than 3/1 on the day
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He was, of course, but I like to see a good attitude, and the ability to battle and Jonbon outfought him that day, regardless his number of starts.

I just believe it was more a case of Jonbon being near to 'over the top' that day for the season he had had, that made it as close as it was. Time, will of course, tell, if this was the case or not. 13/2 or 8/1 top prices for the pair, I know which I prefer at this stage.
 
Not sure bardenstown lad has seen a fence before, Jesus that was horrendous jumping. Winner did it nicely enough tho tbf
 
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