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2017 Triumph Hurdle

Lydia Hislop mentioned it/similar in her Road to Cheltenham piece a few weeks back, if that's the same quotes?

Trainer Philip Hobbs complimented Defi Du Seuil's professionalism. He added: "Barry [Geraghty, his jockey] was particularly impressed with his jumping, especially the last where he met it slightly wrong. His words were 'He's on springs'."

A quick reappearance in the Grade One Finale Hurdle was also mooted, with Hobbs certain that his horse is effective in Chepstow's usually testing ground. He cited the testimony of previous trainer Emmanuel Clayeux that Defi Du Seuil had won in France when the ground was all but unraceable.

Of the Triumph - the horse's ultimate target and usually staged on a sound surface - Hobbs added: "I hope that, like most good horses, he can go on any ground but I feel he's one that copes very well with the soft."

It's the trainer's emphasis on the suitability of soft ground that niggles away at any inclination to back him at 8/1 for that March target. Otherwise he has all boxes ticked: maturity beyond his years, plenty of experience, stamina for the job and a good hurdling technique.
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Thinking of topping up on HOUSEOFPARLIEMENT before he runs today had a £5 bet at 16's thinking of having bit more then £5 at same price.
 
Gary O'Brien on ATR today (prior to Meri Devie winning) said that he got a clear impression from connections that Bapaume is their best 4YO this season... Best priced 10s, after beating the 'long time' ante post fav .... I think he is a little under estimated here?

Bookies seem to be convinced that JP needs to have the fav... I am gobsmacked Defi Du Seuill shortened after the way he jumped those last few today. I was on today but wouldn't back that horse again in a hurry.
 
Charli Parcs 10s from 20s after yesterdays run is what my money is on. was pretty much foot perfect
 
Kev, his jumping at the last three was concerning but doesn't the fact he won by half the track mitigate that somewhat?

I snaffled the 8/1 at Coral as they were the slowest to react. He looks the one to beat if there is soft anywhere in the Cheltenham going.

I also have Bapaume, but I've heard it mentioned twice on the RP Pod, that Bhutan is the best JOB horse in the yard, and considering he had the two market leaders last month it will be interesting to see when that one will run.
 
Brital said:
Kev, his jumping at the last three was concerning but doesn't the fact he won by half the track mitigate that somewhat?
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Somewhat it does, but he was odds on yesterday so that would suggest to me that the engine he had entitled him to be better than the rest, which he proved. Master Blueyes who came 2nd got beat further by Cliffs of Dover (17l).... so my concern would be in the Triumph he'll be up against better horses, who will still be up near him at the last few, and if he jumps like that he will have no chance. In my opinion, of course.
 
I think Defi De Sueil is about as good a juvenile hurdler I've seen for many years, his tendancy to jump left would be a concern and that only developed yesterday I couldn't see that trait at Cheltenham.
They'll take a good look at him as he may have a slight muscle problem but he demolished a good field yesterday and there was plenty in the tank at the line, could be very very good....
 
Istabraq said:
I think Defi De Sueil is about as good a juvenile hurdler I've seen for many years
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Wow that is bold?

I feel like I'll need to re-assess?!

Evening Hush was fairly well fancied, but 2nd fav and had only beaten her own sex? and Dolos isn't at the top of Nicholls pecking order by account of his comments?
 
Having won on good and soft and also round Cheltenham there are no questions to answer about his Triumph crudentials, they do need to find out why he started ducking left at his hurdles as that's the only chink for me.
Detroit City and Mysilv only two I can remember having the same view of....
 
You've got a longer memory bank to delve in to that I have :highly_amused:

Our Conor's Triumph and Apples Jade at AIntree are the best two juvenile performances I have seen?
 
I've took 25/1 Mega Fortune. He looked to get caught out when the pace quickened yesterday, before staying on to finish a close third. An end to end gallop in the triumph will suit him and I'm confident he can reverse the form with the other two.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
I've took 25/1 Mega Fortune. He looked to get caught out when the pace quickened yesterday, before staying on to finish a close third. An end to end gallop in the triumph will suit him and I'm confident he can reverse the form with the other two.
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Can't knock at 25s. I did hear (I think it was a pundit though) saying they think softer ground would show him in better light. It might have been on the Racing Post podcast actually
 
Istabraq said:
I think Defi De Sueil is about as good a juvenile hurdler I've seen for many years, his tendancy to jump left would be a concern and that only developed yesterday I couldn't see that trait at Cheltenham.
They'll take a good look at him as he may have a slight muscle problem but he demolished a good field yesterday and there was plenty in the tank at the line, could be very very good....
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I tend to agree with your post. Im not worried in the slightest about his jumping as i think he got a little bit lonely having blown the field away on the bridle. He will get plenty of cover in the triumph which will see the best of his jumping, which in the main has been very good. Defi De Sueil has serious gears and wouldn't need to come off the bridle to beat Cliffs of Dover (Triumph winners don't start down the h/cap route). P.Hobbs knows whats needed to win a triumph. AIMHO
 
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What about the Irish challenge, think bapaume was impressive the other day, as I thought LOHAG was clearly the best from over the sea.. Rich ricci mentioned him as his most forward juvenile on an ATR preview a month or so ago .. Anyone else get the feeling we haven't seen the triumph winner yet?
 
cwright23 said:
What about the Irish challenge, think bapaume was impressive the other day, as I thought LOHAG was clearly the best from over the sea.. Rich ricci mentioned him as his most forward juvenile on an ATR preview a month or so ago .. Anyone else get the feeling we haven't seen the triumph winner yet?
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I'd be astonished if we have not seen the Triumph winner already. I think the only pieces left to fall into place is the McManus runners and whether he will split them up and send one or two to the Supreme if he thinks he has this race covered. The Irish never really bothered with this race for a while but they now seem to be throwing money and horses at trying to win it, including Willie. The depth this year is as good as I can remember especially with all the ex-flat recruits with Joseph now. I would not rule his runners out if they get there as the genuine good ground will help all of them on the day.
 
I must admit the horses we've seen so far have been very Impressive, think Charlie parcs will be the JP supreme horse after what he did th other day. Difficult to pick an absolute stand out though, with so much strength in depth
 
Might be a case of following the money for me in this race. Difficulty will be knowing whose money it is though, I am sure the bookies are very aware of how to exploit a JP gamble to their benefit though. They could say at any point they're seeing lots of money and people will be going crazy to get on?

Tempted by Charli Parcs at 8/1 NRNB for the Supreme?
 
Just watched DDS again against Evening Hush trying to get excited by it and I can't. Evening Hush made a mistake to give DDS the lead and the winning margin is a little exaggerated because she's eased down when beaten.

Is DDS expected to run again, because I would want to see that jumping improved a heck of a lot before I had a bet... Some better judges than me on here do like him but I am just not convinced at all on what I've seen.

I prefer Bapaume and Meri Devie at the moment at 10s. I think the improvement from the Ricci horse was expected and that would surely put her in the mix and MD should also improve on his second start, and if he improved as much, he'd also have a shout?
 
Kevloaf said:
Just watched DDS again against Evening Hush trying to get excited by it and I can't. Evening Hush made a mistake to give DDS the lead and the winning margin is a little exaggerated because she's eased down when beaten.

Is DDS expected to run again, because I would want to see that jumping improved a heck of a lot before I had a bet... Some better judges than me on here do like him but I am just not convinced at all on what I've seen.

I prefer Bapaume and Meri Devie at the moment at 10s. I think the improvement from the Ricci horse was expected and that would surely put her in the mix and MD should also improve on his second start, and if he improved as much, he'd also have a shout?
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Hes possibly going to be out at Trials day
 
Probably be one of the horses I miss then. A win their and he'll shorten up (deservedly so) but be unbackable as an ante post bet IMO.
Or, he'll not impress and drift.

I don't think the 6's is good enough for me to bet on at the moment just because if he jumped like that at the last few in the Triumph he'd do well to place
 
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