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2017 Stayers Hurdle

Jezki shortened right up on exchanges so it looks like this is target. I wonder if they were waiting on confirmation that Yanworth was all systems go after his slight setback.
 
Purely from a UNWIMH standpoint a shame - he's the one unknown in the race for me that could cause the fav some problems
 
jono said:
Purely from a UNWIMH standpoint a shame - he's the one unknown in the race for me that could cause the fav some problems
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Better to watch, worse for my bet
 
Gutted if Jezki goes for the stayers as I had a little Ante on him in the champion , at least that will give me a bet on the day, got to oppose UNWIMH with something.
 
Touched on Agrapart earlier in the week, and just wondering if the step up to 3m will be what is required, over 2m he was always outpaced at some point, his only run (besides his UK debut, which I feel is forgivable) over 2m 4f resulted in a win.

I know many think he is ground dependent (soft required) but anyone else feel it may be the trip he needs?

I've had 6pts win on him for the Rendlesham this weekend.

It just reminds me, and I'm not saying he's as good as him, of Thistlecrack, the step up in trip 'could' be the making of this horse.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Touched on Agrapart earlier in the week, and just wondering if the step up to 3m will be what is required, over 2m he was always outpaced at some point, his only run (besides his UK debut, which I feel is forgivable) over 2m 4f resulted in a win.

I know many think he is ground dependent (soft required) but anyone else feel it may be the trip he needs?

I've had 6pts win on him for the Rendlesham this weekend.

It just reminds me, and I'm not saying he's as good as him, of Thistlecrack, the step up in trip 'could' be the making of this horse.
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Wincanton not going to play to Yanworths strengths and interrupted prep - might follow you in.
 
mayo said:
Wincanton not going to play to Yanworths strengths and interrupted prep - might follow you in.
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I was thinking Agrapart goes for the Rendlesham @ Haydock rather than taking on Yanworth @ Wincanton?

Hope I'm right as already placed my bets :/

Edit: Agrapart confirmed for the Rendlesham :)
 
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Erm....got that wrong about Agrapart :(
 
So what do we make of the run by Jezki yesterday?

The vibes of going down the Stayers look enhanced but i'm not sure he enhanced his chances in either race really.
 
jono said:
So what do we make of the run by Jezki yesterday?

The vibes of going down the Stayers look enhanced but i'm not sure he enhanced his chances in either race really.
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Probably very similar to the Navan run. He got 5lbs then.

He got the last wrong but not sure that was the difference. He also flattened the last in his Supreme year.

I would think he will go to the stayers.
 
jono said:
So what do we make of the run by Jezki yesterday?

The vibes of going down the Stayers look enhanced but i'm not sure he enhanced his chances in either race really.
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Trying to find a post I made about people going over the top after his [Jezki] return ... can't see it so must have been in the CH thread, but I think he is now incredibly unlikely to go for that race. The money came for him in the stayers and you'd respect that befcause of connections.


I don't think he enhanced his claims, but 10/1 with Nichols Canyon and VVM unlikely to run shorter than him... likely to still go off 2nd fav and I'd back him each way at this price!
 
Does anyone think Old Guard may be good place value (currently 50/1 NRNB)? First run over 3m resulted in finishing well behind red hot favourite for this race UNWIMH, but he was best of the rest who had to give weight away to the majority of the field.

He has Cheltenham form over 2m, but in the hottest races it generally reads that he gets 'outpaced'. He stayed on really well in the Lanzarote giving huge amounts of weight away to the whole field.

Most of his best form is on Good - Good/Soft as opposed to the soft ground he encountered LTO, this will work in his favour if the expected Good ground appears.
 
Nicholls at his press day yesterday said Old Guard more likely for handicap than stayers.
 
Old Guard likely to go for Coral Cup:

"He ran well behind Modus in the Lanzarote off top weight, stayed on really strongly over two miles five, so we just thought the Coral Cup would be an absolute great race to run in. He’ll hopefully not be top weight."
 
HardyEustace said:
Old Guard likely to go for Coral Cup:

"He ran well behind Modus in the Lanzarote off top weight, stayed on really strongly over two miles five, so we just thought the Coral Cup would be an absolute great race to run in. He’ll hopefully not be top weight."
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Well that's saved me a few quid eh :)

Cheers
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Well that's saved me a few quid eh :)

Cheers
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NRNB ... the fuller quote has the part owner Andy Stewart mentioned as wanting him in the stayers.... however, 50/1 is probably an accurate price :highly_amused:

Any news on Ballyoptic since last time?
 
I know the Twisters like Ballyoptic and think he can go close in the Stayers, he's fit and well and this is his definite target...
 
Just a quick note on Jezki - i've seen the comparison with Jezki to Solwhit stepping up in trip and winning in 2013.

Watching the (Solwhit) race back they went off at a crawl and the pace never really quickened until the very end. The time of that race was 6m 24sec on Good to Soft (Good in places). Compare that to the 3 year that followed:

2014: 5m 49s Good (Good to Soft in places)
2015: 5m 41s Good
2016: 5m 42s Good (Good to Soft in places)

Now I know there's a lot of factors in comparing times and the difference in ground comes into play but just watching back the renewals and the pace difference, the 2013 renewal was setup perfectly for a horse like Solwhit. A slow steady gallop didn't stretch his stamina and he was then able to use his speed to outpace them at the finish.

Jezki won't get that with a rejuvenated Cole Harden in the field front running from the off. He'll make this a very thorough stamina test from the front that will play to UNWIMH's strengths and will really require Jezki stamina limits to be put to the test which I don't think will be ideal for him.

His class might get him close but I just cannot see him beating the fav
 
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