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2017 RSA Chase

Might Bite is a very late foal, June 2009 so was getting beaten by More of That, a Stayers winner, at a little over 6 years old and very much still learning.
The defeat in April came carrying topweight and I never really like the form from that meeting, non festival form entering Summer for me can never be trusted.
There are doubts yes but also excuses....
 
I agree there are some excuses. But with all this in mind I still think his price is really poor.

And as course form goes, a 1l beating of Souriyan, albeit giving him some weight doesn't get me that excited! I think I'd be delighted if I was on him at 12/1 or similar, but find it hard to justify his current price myself.

He's one of those that I will be really annoyed if he wins as I would like to have him in my side, but can't do it at the prices.
 
A Toi Phil thoughts anyone ?

Grade 2 and big handicap winner.
 
mayo said:
A Toi Phil thoughts anyone ?

Grade 2 and big handicap winner.
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Seems to have loads of stamina, came from the back last time didn't he to get his head in front. Has a bit to find for this but the extra couple of furlongs should help, does he need cut, maybe good or better won't suit, decent price though
 
I like a Gigginstown horse in this but have ADO as the number one.
 
Here is what Donn said about A Toi Phil...maybe 4 miler the target ?


A Toi Phil

A Toi Phil won the Leopardstown Chase on Sunday, he is not exactly low-profile, but he did really well to win it and, given the way the race panned out, he can be marked up at least a little on the bare form of the run.

Always travelling well for Jack Kennedy in rear, the Gigginstown House horse’s jumping was good for a novice who was having his first run in a handicap. He did well for one of his limited experience taking on a big field of hardened seasoned handicappers. Only 12th as they started to leave the back straight, A Toi Phil was still just ninth or 10th and appearing to get out-paced as the admittedly well-bunched field swung around the home turn. He wasn’t helped when The Paparazzi Kid fell in front of him on the flat either. He jumped the last fence in eighth place, about six lengths behind the leader Stellar Notion, but he finished off his race really well, getting up in the last couple of strides to get home by a neck.

It was a huge effort by the Gordon Elliott-trained horse, it was a nice return to form for him after he had been well beaten in the Grade 1 three-mile novices’ chase at Leopardstown’s Christmas Festival. Backed into favouritism beforehand, it looked like he had an insurmountable task as they turned for home, but his stamina won it for him. He finished off his race strongest of all. He did win his beginners’ chase over two miles and three furlongs at Down Royal in November, but he was more impressive when he stepped up to two miles and six furlongs and won the Grade 2 Florida Pearl Chase at Punchestown later that month. Also, he stayed well last year as a novice hurdler, he won the Grade 2 contest over two and a half miles at Leopardstown in January.

He will be of interest again now, stepped up to three miles again. He does have the option of going back into graded novice company, but the handicap route is still a realistic route. The handicapper raised him 6lb to a mark of 149 for this win, and that is fair, it is just 3lb higher than his hurdles mark. He should improve again for this experience, just his fifth chase, and he could improve for a step back up in trip.

22nd January 2017
 
Just watched the kauto star novice chase again and you cant help but be taken by the cruising and jumping of might bite. One mishap cost him a 15 to 20 length win as he was stretching away. Should win tomorrow but if he falls again nicky wont run him at cheltenham i dont think
 
In to a very short price now before tomorrows run. 4/1 NRNB!

Completing the course and probably 3/1 JF and fav in places.... then we'll have to see what Bellshill pulls out on Sunday.
 
Nico back on board as well. Always a positive in my opinion on a chaser. One of the best around at giving a horse confidence at his fences.
 
He could win bit I preferred Might Bite at 12s without NRNB insurance than 4s with it.

The Kauto Star Feltham Chase is not a good RSA trial. Fallers are often knackered and if he cant get the trip around Kempton not a positive.

Cant figure the Irish out - keep beating each other except Bellshill who I just cant have at the price.
 
Morning Glory said:
He could win bit I preferred Might Bite at 12s without NRNB insurance than 4s with it.

The Kauto Star Feltham Chase is not a good RSA trial. Fallers are often knackered and if he cant get the trip around Kempton not a positive.

Cant figure the Irish out - keep beating each other except Bellshill who I just cant have at the price.
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Might Bite a million percent got the trip, he was pulling further away under pressure and the fall was through a mistake.
I understand the doubt because Cheltenham is a different proposition altogether, but he ran them into the ground on boxing day. I couldn't help but be impressed.
 
Aldie1988 said:
Might Bite a million percent got the trip, he was pulling further away under pressure and the fall was through a mistake.
I understand the doubt because Cheltenham is a different proposition altogether, but he ran them into the ground on boxing day. I couldn't help but be impressed.
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I agree, if anything I actually think he needs the trip. It was his first run over 3m and all bar a jumping error (that cost him the race) he was going to absolutely hose up in a Grade 1. The way he was actually quickening and pulling clear after setting the pace, which was quicker than the King George and would have been even quicker had Might Bite stood up as well, I thought all in all that was looking like one hell of a performance. The form hasn't been done any harm as Royal Vacation has since come out and won a competitive handicap since.

Coneygree absolutely tanked up in this race before winning the Gold Cup, Might Bite would have done the same yet has been kept to Novice company in the RSA and bar any mishaps, for me, takes this race.
 
Also, in light of what went on last with the Mullins runners the domino effect could well take place, if Yorkhill is moved from the JLT then Bellshill could well up in it leaving Might Bite at the head of the market on his own for this race. Exchanges seem to think that might happen as money has come for Bellshill for the JLT today.
 
Won as expexted today Might bite but i just felt he was jumping more efficiently when NDB was encouraging him into the fence.. may just be his style of jumping but impressed with him nonetheless
 
Agree Darlojim, his ears were pricked and he seemed to enjoy Nico shaking him up and 'throwing' him at the fence.

Awful tactical affair that race today, with so little runners.

I stand by him as my selection , would love to see him blitzing around at a rate of knots :encouragement:
 
darlojim said:
Won as expexted today Might bite but i just felt he was jumping more efficiently when NDB was encouraging him into the fence.. may just be his style of jumping but impressed with him nonetheless
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Yeah, all part of the learning process for him I feel today was. I do feel he'll jump a whole lot better than today when he's allowed his way in front and a more honest pace. But hopefully it was confidence boost for him and he learnt a little bit.
 
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Interesting that some bookies pushed him out. Not complaining, but can't see what did wrong? They shorted Yorkhill in the JLT after a much worse round of jumping.
 
Should be informative

1 A Toi Phil (FR)(149) Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Jack Kennedy 11,10
2 Balko Des Flos (FR)(143) Gigginstown House Stud Henry de Bromhead David Mullins 11,10
3 Bellshill(150) Andrea Wylie W.P. Mullins R. Walsh 11,10
4 Bleu Et Rouge (FR)(150) John P. McManus W.P. Mullins Barry Geraghty 11,10
5 Disko (FR)(151) Gigginstown House Stud Noel Meade Sean Flanagan(H) 11,10
6 Our Duke(153) Cooper Family Syndicate Mrs John Harrington Robbie Power 11,10
 
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