Think Gordon has already stated the JLT is the aim this season.. Makes the 12/1 even better.. He's one of my more confident ante post bets
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2017 Cheltenham JLT
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Im not sure pfn loves the RSA for his better more classier types and Aux petit soins has bags of speed so as mentioned before id imagine this is his preferred target until he proves otherwise and requires a trip
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Politologue also expected to feature over fences at middle distance for PN so be interesting to see where they go with him and APS, APS could go a stiff 2m aswell so don't rule out a crack at the Arkle also for him
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Henderson on Buveur D'Air yesterday:
You'd imagine this will be his race rather than take on his stablemate in the Arkle.
You'd imagine this will be his race rather than take on his stablemate in the Arkle.
I have something niggling at me saying they'd said after the Supreme that Buever D'air is wanting more of a trip? I agree that Altior wouldn't force them to run this horse over another distance but the combination of the two would suggest JLT to me. (Would help if I could find the quotes but alas...)
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151-rated hurdler. Only defeat in four races over hurdles when third to stablemate Altior in the Grade 1 Supreme Novices’ Hurdle at Cheltenham in March. Ended season with victory in the Grade 1 Top Novices’ Hurdle at Aintree in April.
“He won his first two starts over hurdles very comfortably and finished a gallant third to Altior in the Supreme. We had often wondered whether an extra half mile might help him but I liked the look of the two miler at Aintree and although I could say he won easily it was still a great performance to win a Grade 1 as I think there is still more to come. We haven’t yet decided whether to stay hurdling or go novice chasing and that decision won’t be made until Barry Geraghty comes into school him but he’s come back bigger and stronger and he has an enormous future whichever route we choose to take.”
“He won his first two starts over hurdles very comfortably and finished a gallant third to Altior in the Supreme. We had often wondered whether an extra half mile might help him but I liked the look of the two miler at Aintree and although I could say he won easily it was still a great performance to win a Grade 1 as I think there is still more to come. We haven’t yet decided whether to stay hurdling or go novice chasing and that decision won’t be made until Barry Geraghty comes into school him but he’s come back bigger and stronger and he has an enormous future whichever route we choose to take.”
Thanks paz...I knew I must have heard about the extra distance somewhere.
Hard to assess how good that grade 1 was... Limini wasn't too far clear of the mares and Petit Mouchoir was 40/1 and beaten a good few times before that race.
Not a betting prospect but an interesting horse to follow for now...
Hard to assess how good that grade 1 was... Limini wasn't too far clear of the mares and Petit Mouchoir was 40/1 and beaten a good few times before that race.
Not a betting prospect but an interesting horse to follow for now...
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Yeah I definitely recall a few quotes last year about a step up in trip bringing out possible improvement. I think his run in the Supreme screamed stepping up to 2m4. I agree that the Aintree race looks a little muddling now. Limini disappointed at Punchestown after and maybe wasn't as good as everyone thought and PM did seem to have an up and down season. These quotes by Fehily that day do stick in my mind though:
Not sure how i feel about Noel as a judge (or more accurately, someone to listen to)? Others more knowledable than me on here can fill me in?
I can only think of him on Rock on Ruby or Zarkandar over hurdles... fair company though I suppose.
I think I don't want to believe he could turn the tables on Altior ... but if they thought as a younger horse over hurdles that extra distance would help, no reason not to try it as a chaser?
Altior / Buever D'air double on the cards :very_drunk: 60/1 if anyone is interested :very_drunk:
I can only think of him on Rock on Ruby or Zarkandar over hurdles... fair company though I suppose.
I think I don't want to believe he could turn the tables on Altior ... but if they thought as a younger horse over hurdles that extra distance would help, no reason not to try it as a chaser?
Altior / Buever D'air double on the cards :very_drunk: 60/1 if anyone is interested :very_drunk:
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Love those bets KevLoaf. Related form. TNO and At Fishers X battling it out at Trials then both going on to win Novices events an example of where they come off.
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Really like the related form bets too, whether it be 2 top horses from the same owner/yard or 2 top horses who have clashed and then gone elsewhere. Still nothing certain on Buveur D'Air target but did see this comment from Henderson a couple of days back:
Good to hear if anyone is thinking of backing for this race. I think the JLT may turn out to be one of the hottest races of the festival in 2016. Seems to be a bit of a theme for this I feel over the last couple of renewals as the Arkle often ends up having a hot pot favourite who most want to bypass and then I feel like the JLT is starting to become the go to race for the top or shall i say classier staying chasers rather than the RSA) It's because of this (and the fact right now i've got Yorkhill backed) that i'll hold off on that double bet but i'm eager to add it to my antepost portfolio at low stacks
Just want to get a bit of a clearer idea of who may be going this way out of
Yorkhill
Barters Hill
Aux Ptits Soins
Bellshill (I thought he'd be all over an RSA horse and would still lean that way but interestingly Patrick Mullins came out and said he thinks his last 2 runs he was all out and tiring at the finish so 2m4 may be his ideal trip)
Before I get further involved. On the talk of Barters Hill - he's entered up this Tuesday over 2m4. Ben Pauling has come out with a few interesting comments again over the last couple of days:
Firstly:
Now obviously his runs over 2m4 may show he needs a step up to 3m but if I had to have a bet now i'd say the JLT would be the race for him. If he was to run well over the middle distance in those races mentioned, i'm not sure he'll have another run after New Years Day so all his runs will be over this distance. I can't see them stepping him up to the RSA trip for the first time (over fences) in March. I'd say if everything goes to plan he'll be kept a 2m4 horse for the year and Cheltenham, the backup plan will be the longer trip.
Oh and lastly - the Final Furlong i'm almost certain will be having Graham Wylie on the show in the next few weeks. I know he won't be making the decision but you'd imagine by that point the yard would have made a decision on Yorkhills target, or at least whether he goes chasing or not. Wouldn't suprise me if he holds back breaking that news on the show.
Good to hear if anyone is thinking of backing for this race. I think the JLT may turn out to be one of the hottest races of the festival in 2016. Seems to be a bit of a theme for this I feel over the last couple of renewals as the Arkle often ends up having a hot pot favourite who most want to bypass and then I feel like the JLT is starting to become the go to race for the top or shall i say classier staying chasers rather than the RSA) It's because of this (and the fact right now i've got Yorkhill backed) that i'll hold off on that double bet but i'm eager to add it to my antepost portfolio at low stacks
Just want to get a bit of a clearer idea of who may be going this way out of Yorkhill
Barters Hill
Aux Ptits Soins
Bellshill (I thought he'd be all over an RSA horse and would still lean that way but interestingly Patrick Mullins came out and said he thinks his last 2 runs he was all out and tiring at the finish so 2m4 may be his ideal trip)
Before I get further involved. On the talk of Barters Hill - he's entered up this Tuesday over 2m4. Ben Pauling has come out with a few interesting comments again over the last couple of days:
Firstly:
Which led me down the RSA route as that sounds very much your ideal staying chaser. But then a longer interview mentioned:
Now obviously his runs over 2m4 may show he needs a step up to 3m but if I had to have a bet now i'd say the JLT would be the race for him. If he was to run well over the middle distance in those races mentioned, i'm not sure he'll have another run after New Years Day so all his runs will be over this distance. I can't see them stepping him up to the RSA trip for the first time (over fences) in March. I'd say if everything goes to plan he'll be kept a 2m4 horse for the year and Cheltenham, the backup plan will be the longer trip.
Oh and lastly - the Final Furlong i'm almost certain will be having Graham Wylie on the show in the next few weeks. I know he won't be making the decision but you'd imagine by that point the yard would have made a decision on Yorkhills target, or at least whether he goes chasing or not. Wouldn't suprise me if he holds back breaking that news on the show.
jono
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They're the 2 that I thought of straight away. Obviously he's had the likes of Silviniaco Conti over fences too but yeah maybe others can point out any other top hurdle horses he rode
Where did you hear about Wylie Jono? I love that podcast :encouragement:
If Yorkhill doesn't go over fences it will be pretty hurtful for me, and I am on Altior&Min/Yorkhill (JLT) doubles so I am hoping Mr Wylie has good news for me if it does break then!
Shantou Village put Brother Tedd, Qualando firmly in their place then even with quite a big error .... could definitely be a player in this race... he is similar to Barters Hill regarding target too.
If BH ran in the Felt I would think he'd go for the RSA though?
If Yorkhill doesn't go over fences it will be pretty hurtful for me, and I am on Altior&Min/Yorkhill (JLT) doubles so I am hoping Mr Wylie has good news for me if it does break then!
Shantou Village put Brother Tedd, Qualando firmly in their place then even with quite a big error .... could definitely be a player in this race... he is similar to Barters Hill regarding target too.
If BH ran in the Felt I would think he'd go for the RSA though?
jono
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Cracking pod isn't it! All they said was a "leading Owner who we had on the show who was well received" or words to that degree but they had him on end of last year, Emmet K seems to be pretty good pals with Wylie and I'm sure they also something like "we'll find out more in a few weeks" when something came up about Nicols Canyon. Just a hunch but can't see Ricci coming back on (think after last year he might be a bit quitter on the media front sadly). Might not be but I'd be pretty confident its him.
I thought RSA for Barters Hill initially too but just everytime I see quotes on the horse it involves stressing he has more speed than you'd think and doesn't necessarily need 3 miles. I feel like that's his preference right now
I thought RSA for Barters Hill initially too but just everytime I see quotes on the horse it involves stressing he has more speed than you'd think and doesn't necessarily need 3 miles. I feel like that's his preference right now
Shantau village is one of a few I have down for this, could turn out to be a decent race.. Any forgotten horses or under the radar horses fancied? I can't see past the top few in the market at this point