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2017 Arkle Trophy Chase

Backed Min at 8/1 on the basis that I believe hes had a wind op and will reverse the form. Its commonly known that Min picked up an injury thats the official line, any alluding would surely be for something other than injury?
I also think Altiors 2 chase runs have been slightly overrated, although good he was entitled to beat Charbel again and the slow pace meant that Charbel was able to get closer to him despite the fast finishing time from Altior. The main thing is that they both get to the festival in one piece and we can see the match up it would be awful if one didnt get there. I wont go on about this any more coz im sure your all bored, but you know which crazy person thought of this first if it ever comes out!!!
 
I haven't seen that official line about the injury yet either ... ��

8s is a good price regardless though so you can't be unhappy either way
 
I meant regarding getting it 'during' the race? That's just assumed so far isn't it?
 
Must of picked it up during the race I'd imagine, have to watch it back see if he jumps funny or anything, if he'd got it before hand they would have known surely
 
Well apparently it was the one he makes a mistake at.... but looking at the race, Min is travelling SO well still round the corner.... until Altior heads him ... Min finishes quicker than every other horse, excluding Altior who beat him fair and sqaure and Buveur D'air who finished quickly having been ridden out the back....

I just don't see how you can confidently say Min got injured in the race and it affected the result
 
You mean when he was travelling best then failed to quicken like the winner when asked for his effort, almost like he had a wind issue!!!!!!! ;-) lol sorry said i wasnt going to go on about this.
 
He did quicken compared to every other horse, bar the one that beat him and the one that was ridden to place :triumphant:
 
Flying Bolt, Douvan, Altior.... the last 3 horses to win the Supreme and the Arkle :devilish:
 
Kevloaf said:
Well apparently it was the one he makes a mistake at.... but looking at the race, Min is travelling SO well still round the corner.... until Altior heads him ... Min finishes quicker than every other horse, excluding Altior who beat him fair and sqaure and Buveur D'air who finished quickly having been ridden out the back....

I just don't see how you can confidently say Min got injured in the race and it affected the result
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The yard are saying he was injured Kevloaf, not me confidently saying it :encouragement:
 
That's my point though, the yard haven't confirmed that he did get injured in the race ams they haven't said it affected the result.

All I've seen was he missed the rest of the season because he had an injury that kept him out.

I know it is a possibility that it happened in the race, but my point is that nobody has confirmed that yet.
 
If you read Riccis blog for BetBright, he says
Min (FR) – 5 b g by Walk In The Park, We were hoping this time last year that he was good and he turned out to be just that, although he just couldn’t get it done behind the impressive Altior in the Supreme.

In fairness it was the first time he had to race and battle, and he came back with an injury to his back which meant he missed the rest of the season. He has done well for the break, looks an out and out 2 miler and hopefully he will take to fences well as we would love another crack at Altior this season. Not lost any faith in him at all.
 
That doesn't scare me in the slightest.

As I've said before, if on the day, you're getting 4/1 on min, then go All-in each way. Cracking bet.... but 5/1 now, can't have it. You're backing smoke and mirrors, even in the quotes Ricci is saying Altior is impressive... injury doesn't mean he will come back better, if anything it is a negative.

He had faith that Champange Fever would in the Arkle, then the King George... he is obviously going to be bullish about his own horses. 2nd in an Arkle isn't bad, so fair play... but 5/1 is NOT good value at this stage against a horse than is better.
 
I think on the day there will almost certainly be less than 8 runners so your ew bet will be 2 places, judging by previous renewals.
 
Kevloaf said:
He had faith that Champange Fever would in the Arkle.
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Kevloaf - he only ran CF in the Arkle because he had Djakadam in the JLT and Ballycasey in the RSA and won't pit two of his against each other....
 
Ista - I wouldn't say he ONLY ran him in the Arkle because of the other horses, he had won the Supreme over 2 miles... but I do see your point.

billy - Yeah fair enough, overlooked that angle I guess. Still, not a bet I'd be excited about this far out, hoping to get 6/4 a place this far out on the proviso there MIGHT be less than 8 runners isn't anything I'll be rushing to do.... HOWEVER, I did have the Min/Yorkhill (JLT) double as one of my very first bets when MIn was 8s and I think that is now looking more loikely to be their targets so thats probably stopping me backing Min on his own?
 
Kevloaf said:
Ista - I wouldn't say he ONLY ran him in the Arkle because of the other horses, he had won the Supreme over 2 miles... but I do see your point.
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He only ran in the Supreme because Ricci wanted Ballycasey in the potato race and he had another shortie (Pont Alexandre maybe) for the Neptune.

I was told from about as reliable source as you can get 3 months before the festival that year and had it confirmed right up until the week before that CF was headed for the potato race, I can't tell you how much I had on !

The irony of the whole thing is that Ballycasey knocked himself on the way over, got lame and was pulled out of the potato race...
 
I suppose that just shows how fluid the plans and careers can be.
 
Comments from Mullins about Yorkhill being an Arkle horse.... although just reading through it isn't as scary as I first thought, (for Altior, and Min for the majority in here :encouragement:)

Mullins said: "He has huge scope for jumping and certainly has not lost any of his ability. He's very at home over fences.

"He went a bit left but that would not worry me too much once they have an engine. I hope fences will help him to settle. He took a fairly keen hold but was not rushing his fences.

"He would have no trouble stepping up in trip but he is very good at that trip and can jump at that trip.

"Christmas will probably come a bit too soon for his next run. He could stay at two miles or go up in trip just depending where his next run fits in."
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I am sure I said this back in September, but there was always a possibility that Ruby will want to have the best possible chance of winning the Arkle, as it is on the Tuesday... my thinking now is that....

VERY serious thoughts going through my mind now, that Yorkhill Arkle and American Tom JLT are the two MOST LIKELY winners (for Ruby and Willie). IF American Tom has a better chance of winning the JLT, than Min does of winning the Arkle, then Yorkhill will be the one that moves. Ruby has mentioned the Arkle, Mullins has now mentioned the Arkle... Coral are 9/1 for Yorkhill to win the Arkle and although these options will CLEARLY be kept open until the week before, I don't think the prices will stay the same!

I had 1.5 pts EW on Yorkhill / AT @ 129/1 last week and Coral are still offering that after a successful chase debut today.

I genuinly hope Yorkhill turns up in the JLT for my ante-post but for 3 points I feel a lot happier than I would do, worrying all winter!

Mullins said: "I thought it was a good performance first-time over fences. He did go to the left at several fences but that isn't a worry. If he has to go left or right then going left is better when you think of Leopardstown, Cheltenham and Aintree.

"We think he is Arkle Trophy material and his hurdle form would certainly suggest he is. Leopardstown at Christmas will probably come too soon for him, so we'll wait and see what will be next for him. He would have no problem going up in trip although two miles suits him well."
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That is from the Racing post though, and that is certainly geared more towards the Arkle that the other interview.

Been cut for the JLT across the board though too.
 
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