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2016 Gold Cup

With some fantastic horses in his stable I am surprised Ricci hasnt targeted Vroom Vroom Mag at the Ryanair and left the two big ones for Gold Cup.All possibilities still I suppose, any one of Vroom, Djackadam or Vautour would probably win that race,(Ryanair).
 
Yep, but if Cue Card doesn't stay it won't be the final 110 yards that does him, he'll be doing his best One Man impression at the bottom of the hill or staying to the line...
 
In a season without Vautour Djakadam would be the clear and present danger to all in the Gold cup, second last season to what is widely regarded as the best winner of the race in years, and closing all the way to the line. A year on we have a stronger horse, guaranteed to get the trip, a near foot perfect jumper and has shown nothing but progression yet we are debating whether or not he would even be a jockeys first choice. With the evidence that we have I think Djakadam wins, going away, whatever runs against him, and if they run the two with Ruby choosing to ride Vautour I think he will look at the evidence retrospectively and wonder what he was thinking. This is the way I see it right now, if Vautour runs again at 3 miles, and gets better ground, and the evidence points to him staying then my view would probably change. Having said all that I hope Vautour wins whichever race he runs in.
 
I'm convinced Ricci will duck a clash of his pair and Vatour will run elsewhere, I think Ruby will have the choice between Djakadam and Don Poli assuming Cooper rides Don Cossack, and I think as others have pointed out Ruby is far more likely to stick with last years runner up, the only question may come is if Mr Claisse loses his hosepipes and the ground comes up quick, I'm not sure how Djakadam would perform on a quicker surface...
 
I think all at the head of the market have ifs and buts about them but theres less ifs about Djackadam I suppose.Ive backed Vautour and had a saver on Road To Riches two wks ago as the forgotten horse as I said back then tho both could easily go Ryanair.What a shame if they do.
 
iainmcf said:
I think all at the head of the market have ifs and buts about them but theres less ifs about Djackadam I suppose.Ive backed Vautour and had a saver on Road To Riches two wks ago as the forgotten horse as I said back then tho both could easily go Ryanair.What a shame if they do.
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Totally agree with that Iain, RTR is made for the Gold cup and Vautour should run in a championship race.
 
Istabraq said:
I'm convinced Ricci will duck a clash of his pair and Vatour will run elsewhere, I think Ruby will have the choice between Djakadam and Don Poli assuming Cooper rides Don Cossack, and I think as others have pointed out Ruby is far more likely to stick with last years runner up, the only question may come is if Mr Claisse loses his hosepipes and the ground comes up quick, I'm not sure how Djakadam would perform on a quicker surface...
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I think the decision RE vautour goldcup/ryanair wont be made till the festival. If the ground comes up soft then i think vautour ryanair but if it is good to soft then vautour i think will go gold cup.
 
Paul Nicholls on ATR last nite when asked by Matt which of the Gold Cup contenders he wud like to have in his stable...Vautour.....he said in his opinion hes a stayer and if Ruby rode the KG again he would have won it....
 
Has anyone or is anyone truly willing to nail their colours to the mast and pick a horse for the Gold Cup, i've been Don Cossack since Coneygree was withdrawn for the season, but i also can't get away from Djakadam, but in there the conondrum lies that if I think Djakadam is a gold cup winner in waiting then why on earth is ruby not on it, should we really listen to one of the best trainers and jockeys of all time and go with Vautour if he turns up???
 
gjt7756 said:
Has anyone or is anyone truly willing to nail their colours to the mast and pick a horse for the Gold Cup, i've been Don Cossack since Coneygree was withdrawn for the season, but i also can't get away from Djakadam, but in there the conondrum lies that if I think Djakadam is a gold cup winner in waiting then why on earth is ruby not on it, should we really listen to one of the best trainers and jockeys of all time and go with Vautour if he turns up???
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I think Djakadam is the most likely improver/winner. Though his price is too skinny for my liking. I am happy to wait to see what the ground is saying because the main principles are more ground dependent on a win perspective.
 
Not too sure you should be so certain Ruby isn't on Djakadam, there hasn't been a decision on where Vautour goes from anyone but punters up to now let alone which one will be a particular jockeys mount. If Djakadam hacks up in his next race and gives Ruby the right feel that may have as much bearing on Vautours target as anything we've seen so far, the facts that staying, or not, isn't an issue with Djakadam, he's proven on the track and is a year older and stronger, make him the stable number one at this moment in time
 
gjt7756 said:
Has anyone or is anyone truly willing to nail their colours to the mast and pick a horse for the Gold Cup?
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I'm out on a limb with Cue Card.
Yes there are stamina doubts over the trip and he would be the oldest winner since Cool Dawn in 1998 but I'm convinced the horse has always had talent to match the greats of the modern era and last Summers breathing op looks to have given him the opportunity to prove it.
It's a tough year granted....
 
I like Cue Card.

Anyone on the 2011 Supreme Treble ?

Cue Card Gold Cup
Sprinter Champion Chase
Al Ferof Ryanair

Id love to see that :)
 
Possibly i could be the fool here, you can't knock cue cards form this season and he really has turned the corner again after his wind op but I haven't even brought him into the reckoning for the gold cup, his form card was one I honestly didn't even look at as i just don't think the bottomless stamina isn't up his sleeve, even nearer the time i still don't think his card is one i'll be playing
 
gjt you're not alone in dismissing Cue Card, many judges are doing/have done the same, quite why baffles me given the two best Gold Cup trials over recent years are the Betfair Chase and the King George.
At this stage of the season it's all opinion and time will tell who was right/wrong, I just think if Vatour or either of the Dons ran the races Cue Card has this year they'd be trading around 9/4
 
They are the two best trials but i suppose you only have to look at recent years and see how silviniaco conti has let the trend down for those trials, but again the horses he beat in those trials, Dynaste and al ferof aren't quite gold cup standard so maybe they just weren't strong renewals that he won
 
The likes of Kauto Star, Imperial Commander, Kicking King and Long Run all won either of both en route to Gold Cup success and of course the Betfair chase has only been running for 10 years.
These two races have to be the starting point when considering Gold Cup form...
 
Istabraq said:
The likes of Kauto Star, Imperial Commander, Kicking King and Long Run all won either of both en route to Gold Cup success and of course the Betfair chase has only been running for 10 years.
These two races have to be the starting point when considering Gold Cup form...
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along with the Lexus wot was won by a two time fez winner :p you

Thinking about how the race will be run I wonder if Gigginstown might run something to take them along at a good clip. You would think they will want to test stamina of Cue Card and Vautour is he runs here. Also might upset Vautour.
 
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