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2015 Supreme Novices Hurdle

GRAHAM WYLIE'S FIVE CHELTENHAM HORSES TO FOLLOW



SHANESHILL

(Supreme Novices’ Hurdle, Tuesday March 10, 12-1)

“He hasn’t been out since he came second at Navan in December because he had a setback. Willie says he’s hoping to get him to Cheltenham for us, and he’s getting there.

“He’s not there yet, but he’s getting there and if he lines up it’ll be in the Supreme and he’ll have a decent chance. Willie obviously has Douvan in the race as well, and some people are saying the Supreme is not the right race for him, but Willie is adamant that it is. Hopefully, his stamina will come into play.”
 
Cardinal Walter pays a compliment to Qewy there.
 
Old Vic said:
Cardinal Walter pays a compliment to Qewy there.
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Cardinal Walter was giving weight that day. Clipped in a few places. Best NRNB price for Qewy is 14s with billies.
 
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Old Vic said:
Cardinal Walter pays a compliment to Qewy there.
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Does pay a big compliment to Qewy the way he rocketed away on the run to the last at Newbury.

I have read on a few preview evenings that Douvan is better value than some of these other short priced favourites because he is an absolute machine but to me this is a prime example of why the supreme isn't a great race for favourites because there are at least half a dozen other horses that are unexposed and could be very good as well.
 
Old Vic said:
GRAHAM WYLIE'S FIVE CHELTENHAM HORSES TO FOLLOW



SHANESHILL

(Supreme Novices’ Hurdle, Tuesday March 10, 12-1)

“He hasn’t been out since he came second at Navan in December because he had a setback. Willie says he’s hoping to get him to Cheltenham for us, and he’s getting there.

“He’s not there yet, but he’s getting there and if he lines up it’ll be in the Supreme and he’ll have a decent chance. Willie obviously has Douvan in the race as well, and some people are saying the Supreme is not the right race for him, but Willie is adamant that it is. Hopefully, his stamina will come into play.”
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The right race for Shaneshill or the right race for Willie?
 
Mytentoryours said:
Does pay a big compliment to Qewy the way he rocketed away on the run to the last at Newbury.

I have read on a few preview evenings that Douvan is better value than some of these other short priced favourites because he is an absolute machine but to me this is a prime example of why the supreme isn't a great race for favourites because there are at least half a dozen other horses that are unexposed and could be very good as well.
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I thought Jim McGrath at Waterford was against the flow said something about Douvan on form not being within 7lb of Lami Serge at the moment.
 
Old Vic said:
I thought Jim McGrath at Waterford was against the flow said something about Douvan on form not being within 7lb of Lami Serge at the moment.
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Ye I read that, at the mo Douvan is very much about the visual impression in his races, rather than what he's beaten, but he can only beat what's put up against him and he's done it swinging on the bit, so he could be a 180 horse in a novice hurdle if the vibes are correct. Similar comments would apply to Faugheen, and they applied to UDS, prior to him destroying two highly thought of individuals
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
Ye I read that, at the mo Douvan is very much about the visual impression in his races, rather than what he's beaten, but he can only beat what's put up against him and he's done it swinging on the bit, so he could be a 180 horse in a novice hurdle if the vibes are correct. Similar comments would apply to Faugheen, and they applied to UDS, prior to him destroying two highly thought of individuals
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Agreed. You could say also Willie should know where he is from his homework bit that didn't eorth out with Avisio Ville.
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
Ye I read that, at the mo Douvan is very much about the visual impression in his races, rather than what he's beaten, but he can only beat what's put up against him and he's done it swinging on the bit, so he could be a 180 horse in a novice hurdle if the vibes are correct. Similar comments would apply to Faugheen, and they applied to UDS, prior to him destroying two highly thought of individuals
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Yes exactly hype. The point being they came with two genuine superstars last year and they duly obliged. Faugheen had beaten Josses Hill 26l in a bumper and Vautour had beaten a genuine grade one novice hurdler in a grade one and was a 4/1 shot going into Cheltenham so you had more of a handle on how good they were.

However if you look back to the previous year Pont Alexandre was the best thing since sliced bread, he'll improve for better ground etc and he got knowhere near. The point is there is a lot of guesswork involved for a 7/4 shot whereas you have a much better idea of the ability of UDS, Faugheen and Annie Power going into their assignments.
 
I do think 'Tell Us More' is going to turn up in the Supreme. At the various previews I've read:
- Cooper is defo riding Outlander in the Neptune
- Cooper thinks Tell us More would be best suited by the Supreme
- O'Leary will always have final say over Willie
- Gigginstown have nowt else for the race
- The horse is pleasing again at home
- Cooper says he's more looking forward to riding Tell us More than Outlander

I know it's still an if but given the above I'm happy to take a chance e/w at 25s wiv Coral.
 
I'd go to thr NRNB firms cashew, ive got the feeling Mullins will persuade the giggy team not to take on Douvan.This isnt the same as the Don Poli situation as the Don has an equal chance in both RSA and the 4 miler.Mullins team think Tell Us More in top 3 novices in yard and I'll be stunned if he runs against Douvan who is regarded as the best.
 
iainmcf said:
I'd go to thr NRNB firms cashew, ive got the feeling Mullins will persuade the giggy team not to take on Douvan.This isnt the same as the Don Poli situation as the Don has an equal chance in both RSA and the 4 miler.Mullins team think Tell Us More in top 3 novices in yard and I'll be stunned if he runs against Douvan who is regarded as the best.
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Yours is defo the sensible option but given cooper has committed to riding outlander in the Neptune I'm happy to risk being wrong ! (Won't be the first time ) - As you say it's rated one of Mullins best and I can't see Cooper missing out on that so, unless it's not going to the Fez, it has to be the Supreme.
 
This is an old quote

“We will see. Tell Us More is possibly a Neptune horse or maybe an Albert Bartlett horse. A lot will depend on what they do over Christmas and just after. We’ll enter them in every race and nearer the day we’ll sort them out.”

Outlander to AB and TUM to Neptune would suit me bets.
 
AV has had a right oul wobble on the machine. Any news anywhere ?
 
iainmcf said:
I'd go to thr NRNB firms cashew, ive got the feeling Mullins will persuade the giggy team not to take on Douvan.This isnt the same as the Don Poli situation as the Don has an equal chance in both RSA and the 4 miler.Mullins team think Tell Us More in top 3 novices in yard and I'll be stunned if he runs against Douvan who is regarded as the best.
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Where do you reckon Shaneshill is in the pecking order?

I get the impression he isn't one who does a lot at home because Patrick was on Black Hercules in the Cheltenham bumper and then he rode BH again in the Punchestown race despite being 3 places behind at Cheltenham.
 
Shay Barry is hopeful that Bentelimar can make his presence felt in the opening race of the Cheltenham Festival, the Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle.

Formerly trained by Philip Fenton, the son of Beneficial has five wins to his name, recording his biggest success to date in a Listed novice hurdle at Punchestown last month.

The James Ryan-owned chestnut holds entries in four races at the Festival, but Barry confirmed the Supreme is the target.

He is 99% sure to go for the Supreme. The owner is keen to go for it and thats what hell go for. He is in the Neptune and two handicaps as well but they are just as a precaution.Barry said.
He is in super form and he galloped after racing at Leopardstown on Saturday. Fingers crossed now that he will travel to Cheltenham in good order.

think he has come on from winning at Punchestown and I'll be disappointed if he is not in the shake-up.

"He will be my first runner at Cheltenham and it is great to be going with a chance. Brian O'Connell will ride him."
 
Mytentoryours said:
Where do you reckon Shaneshill is in the pecking order?

I get the impression he isn't one who does a lot at home because Patrick was on Black Hercules in the Cheltenham bumper and then he rode BH again in the Punchestown race despite being 3 places behind at Cheltenham.
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Patrick spotted Black Hercules at the sales and duly bought him along with his cousin, he then sold him onto Graham Wylie as a staying chaser of the future.Thatll be why Patrick was on him last season, I think Shaneshill has had an interrupted campaign but is regareded as one of the better novices in yard.
 
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