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2015 Champion Chase

SDG halved in price, not sure about that, this is about more than two horses
 
mayo said:
It is set up to be a cracking race now. I'm on Sprinter but he will need to be very close to the horse he was.
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It is probably the best Queen Mother since 2005. Really looking forward to it.
 
Moscow said:
It is probably the best Queen Mother since 2005. Really looking forward to it.
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Yes so am I. I wish Moscow F was running :)

Can't help but think SDG is a better horse when the ground is heavy. Yes he was very impressive last year but look at the horses that followed him home (Somersby, Module, and an old Sizing Europe).
 
Mytentoryours said:
Yes so am I. I wish Moscow F was running :)

Can't help but think SDG is a better horse when the ground is heavy. Yes he was very impressive last year but look at the horses that followed him home (Somersby, Module, and an old Sizing Europe).
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Got to hand it to the Moores for running him today giving away that weight.
 
Fantastic performance from Sire De Grugy. I think that will scare a few away to the Ryanair. Going to look at a few multis now.
 
Interesting listening to Jamie Moore on ATR comparing the run by pointing out that Grey Gold was a similar distance behind Spriter and DB as he was to SDG yesterday, but he ran against those two off level weights and was getting 20lbs yesterday off SDG. I haven't looked back myself but taking Jamies word for it that's quite a compelling stat for SDG being in with a major chance if reproducing that run.
 
I did have a look at the 2 races you mention MrMG. Grey gold was 21 lengths behind sprinter and 24 behind DB. that race was 17 furlongs raced in 4m 09 seconds on soft. He was then 7 lengths behind SdeG over 16 1/2 furlongs run in 4m 17 on soft (heavy in places).

That doesn't necessarily make it any clearer to me, but I think DB was really being pushed to win a G1 and SdeG was perhaps taken out for a good prep spin on worse ground and ran a comparable time. I am a big SdeG fan, especially as the bookmakers seem keen to take him on and i can see him retaining his crown in a couple of weeks. I am sure they will be able to ride him with even more confidence after the weekend too.
 
andrisiggy said:
I did have a look at the 2 races you mention MrMG. Grey gold was 21 lengths behind sprinter and 24 behind DB. that race was 17 furlongs raced in 4m 09 seconds on soft. He was then 7 lengths behind SdeG over 16 1/2 furlongs run in 4m 17 on soft (heavy in places).

That doesn't necessarily make it any clearer to me, but I think DB was really being pushed to win a G1 and SdeG was perhaps taken out for a good prep spin on worse ground and ran a comparable time. I am a big SdeG fan, especially as the bookmakers seem keen to take him on and i can see him retaining his crown in a couple of weeks. I am sure they will be able to ride him with even more confidence after the weekend too.
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Are you a times guru andrsisiggy ?

MrMcGoldrick has mentioned the relative times of SDG and SS in last two races. This is turftrax data for the races but need a translator :)
TURFTRAX Finish Time:03:48.33
Sectional Times
13th11th9th8th7th6th5th4th3rd2ndLastWP
7Sire De Grugy8.6430.9327.8319.1612.5811.7411.3718.3634.6028.658.0316.44
9Somersby7.7130.4327.7818.9912.9811.8411.3118.6035.0429.078.5717.36
6Module8.0330.7727.8719.0512.8911.9311.4118.3435.0029.518.2816.64
8Sizing Europe7.6430.5028.2218.9012.7811.9211.5118.4334.9229.078.4118.12
11Wishfull Thinking8.7230.8428.2118.8712.7511.9911.5918.5934.5229.708.9316.57
10Special Tiara7.3530.5228.0018.9213.2211.7011.6918.4534.8429.738.9918.41
5Kid Cassidy8.9931.2227.9018.7112.8111.8211.6718.3434.7430.9310.2020.84

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The sprinter data is here:


http://www.turftrax.co.uk/pdf/tracking_13-03-13/CHELT_130313_R4.pdf
 
I think the times of the relative champion chase wins were
SDG 3mins 48 secs
SS 4mins. 0secs
I can't work out the sectional times, it looks like they are taken at certain points rather than a fixed distance
 
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Does anyone think Special Tiara has a chance of pulling of a cheeky one from the front in this?

With all the market principles keeping a sharp eye on each other and likely playing out a big tactical affair ST could well get an easy lead and maybe get loose up front? His jumping was superb at kempton and he visually looked impressive but he only beat Balder Succes by 2 and a bit lengths whilst in receipt of 5lbs and off level weights I am coming to the conclusion I don't think he has a chance against the market principles. However, something keeps nagging at me every time I look at the QMCC market
 
Lessey said:
Does anyone think Special Tiara has a chance of pulling of a cheeky one from the front in this?

With all the market principles keeping a sharp eye on each other and likely playing out a big tactical affair ST could well get an easy lead and maybe get loose up front? His jumping was superb at kempton and he visually looked impressive but he only beat Balder Succes by 2 and a bit lengths whilst in receipt of 5lbs and off level weights I am coming to the conclusion I don't think he has a chance against the market principles. However, something keeps nagging at me every time I look at the QMCC market
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If CF goes to the Ryanair then ST may get the chance to get loose, but I think there are a few horses that will reel him in.

This years QMCC is an open race due to the fact there are a few decent second season chasers that have improved a lot. Though they better start looking for a different route next year when UDS comes on the scene. :sorrow:
 
How good could next year be if you had a fit and firing SS, SdG and UDS...
 
Lessey said:
Does anyone think Special Tiara has a chance of pulling of a cheeky one from the front in this?

With all the market principles keeping a sharp eye on each other and likely playing out a big tactical affair ST could well get an easy lead and maybe get loose up front? His jumping was superb at kempton and he visually looked impressive but he only beat Balder Succes by 2 and a bit lengths whilst in receipt of 5lbs and off level weights I am coming to the conclusion I don't think he has a chance against the market principles. However, something keeps nagging at me every time I look at the QMCC market
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Think he might be better on flat tracks. Who takes the ride ? Jonny Burke ?
 
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I imagine it would have to be JJ Burke yes. I like him as a jockey so wouldnt phase me but agree about flat and perhaps more galloping tracks suiting him.

I'm pretty sure I'll leave him alone but just can't decide what angle to take on the race with the market principles
 
Lessey said:
Does anyone think Special Tiara has a chance of pulling of a cheeky one from the front in this?

With all the market principles keeping a sharp eye on each other and likely playing out a big tactical affair ST could well get an easy lead and maybe get loose up front? His jumping was superb at kempton and he visually looked impressive but he only beat Balder Succes by 2 and a bit lengths whilst in receipt of 5lbs and off level weights I am coming to the conclusion I don't think he has a chance against the market principles. However, something keeps nagging at me every time I look at the QMCC market
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I've got him in an ew treble Lessey, going for the place really but stranger things have happened at Cheltenham, SDG looking back to something like his best has changed plenty of prospects since last week though.
 
MrMcGoldrick said:
I've got him in an ew treble Lessey, going for the place really but stranger things have happened at Cheltenham, SDG looking back to something like his best has changed plenty of prospects since last week though.
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I think you can be fairly sure ST will run here. I would not be surprised if there are only two places on the day.
 
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